[11:30:31] chat-admin leaves the room [11:35:46] test message [11:43:45] EX2104_DIVE19 ROV powered off [12:09:36] EX2104_DIVE19 ROV Launch [12:16:34] EX2104_DIVE19 ROV on Surface [12:17:42] EX2104_DIVE19 ROV Descending [12:18:22] LAT : 39.840775 , LON : -66.22665 , DEPTH : 13.5452 m, TEMP : 27.53342 C, SAL : 35.98284 PSU, DO : 6.53946 mg/l [12:23:22] LAT : 39.841484 , LON : -66.224562 , DEPTH : 55.7467 m, TEMP : 23.48423 C, SAL : 36.56277 PSU, DO : 6.05 mg/l [12:28:23] LAT : 39.841668 , LON : -66.224379 , DEPTH : 55.9802 m, TEMP : 23.3954 C, SAL : 36.57089 PSU, DO : 5.98031 mg/l [12:33:23] LAT : 39.841635 , LON : -66.22441 , DEPTH : 56.2099 m, TEMP : 22.90347 C, SAL : 36.49742 PSU, DO : 6.02676 mg/l [12:38:24] LAT : 39.841597 , LON : -66.224434 , DEPTH : 90.2575 m, TEMP : 20.00764 C, SAL : 36.30453 PSU, DO : 5.19429 mg/l [12:43:24] LAT : 39.841613 , LON : -66.224359 , DEPTH : 200.1393 m, TEMP : 16.91436 C, SAL : 36.3079 PSU, DO : 5.24978 mg/l [12:48:25] LAT : 39.841614 , LON : -66.224248 , DEPTH : 323.7474 m, TEMP : 14.18919 C, SAL : 35.84714 PSU, DO : 4.48 mg/l [12:53:25] LAT : 39.841655 , LON : -66.224266 , DEPTH : 467.2287 m, TEMP : 10.76728 C, SAL : 35.39241 PSU, DO : 4.63053 mg/l [12:58:25] LAT : 39.841492 , LON : -66.224348 , DEPTH : 620.3364 m, TEMP : 7.35203 C, SAL : 35.12909 PSU, DO : 5.55635 mg/l [13:03:25] LAT : 39.841454 , LON : -66.224478 , DEPTH : 768.5465 m, TEMP : 5.5106 C, SAL : 35.05378 PSU, DO : 7.11093 mg/l [13:06:16] jocelyncooper leaves the room [13:08:25] LAT : 39.841417 , LON : -66.224728 , DEPTH : 926.0872 m, TEMP : 4.82378 C, SAL : 35.01348 PSU, DO : 7.72187 mg/l [13:13:26] LAT : 39.841372 , LON : -66.224886 , DEPTH : 1081.6202 m, TEMP : 4.4955 C, SAL : 34.99168 PSU, DO : 8.03111 mg/l [13:18:27] LAT : 39.841247 , LON : -66.225073 , DEPTH : 1234.9643 m, TEMP : 4.25428 C, SAL : 34.97538 PSU, DO : 8.14306 mg/l [13:23:28] LAT : 39.84116 , LON : -66.225129 , DEPTH : 1387.8799 m, TEMP : 4.13604 C, SAL : 34.97203 PSU, DO : 8.18476 mg/l [13:26:34] noellehelder leaves the room [13:28:29] LAT : 39.84107 , LON : -66.225246 , DEPTH : 1541.2082 m, TEMP : 3.99979 C, SAL : 34.96366 PSU, DO : 8.22215 mg/l [13:33:29] LAT : 39.841027 , LON : -66.225436 , DEPTH : 1692.8707 m, TEMP : 3.84381 C, SAL : 34.96028 PSU, DO : 8.17416 mg/l [13:38:29] LAT : 39.841119 , LON : -66.225602 , DEPTH : 1807.0641 m, TEMP : 3.77632 C, SAL : 34.95906 PSU, DO : 8.19047 mg/l [13:39:15] FYI, we will be delayed reaching bottom today, we overshot the point a little - estimated time on bottom will be around 10:30 at the earliest - I will update information as we have it. [13:40:58] emilycrum leaves the room [13:43:29] LAT : 39.840995 , LON : -66.22584 , DEPTH : 1806.8869 m, TEMP : 3.77404 C, SAL : 34.95912 PSU, DO : 8.18061 mg/l [13:43:33] cindyvandover leaves the room [13:46:07] @Rhian: thanks for SitRep [13:48:30] LAT : 39.840943 , LON : -66.225945 , DEPTH : 1806.7647 m, TEMP : 3.77488 C, SAL : 34.95747 PSU, DO : 6.79915 mg/l [13:48:45] noellehelder leaves the room [13:53:30] LAT : 39.840744 , LON : -66.22626 , DEPTH : 1806.4403 m, TEMP : 3.77298 C, SAL : 34.95794 PSU, DO : 7.20806 mg/l [13:54:44] emilycrum leaves the room [13:58:31] LAT : 39.84062 , LON : -66.226445 , DEPTH : 1805.7146 m, TEMP : 3.76598 C, SAL : 34.9596 PSU, DO : 7.04506 mg/l [13:58:36] Estimated time on bottom will be ~~10:40 [14:02:43] haroldcarlson leaves the room [14:03:32] LAT : 39.840409 , LON : -66.226653 , DEPTH : 1806.2827 m, TEMP : 3.76286 C, SAL : 34.95843 PSU, DO : 6.85932 mg/l [14:08:27] Mountains whether on land or under the ocean are intriguing - create their own 'weather', are islands (indeed 'stepping stones') biogeographically, and serve as hard substrate for nifty organisms. But they represent a small fraction of the overall environment on land or in the ocean. Much of OE effort to date has focused on seamounts. Getting less attention, but perhaps equally important as habitat for diverse organisms (not only corals and other sessile epifauna) are ecotones, transitional edge habitat. Perhaps OE might give consideration to some missions particularly focused on the ecotone between the open sedimentary abyssal plain and the base of seamounts and ridges. Would not be as rich in corals and sponges, but would be richer in terms of mobile (crawling and swimming) megafauna - and give appropriate attention to these extensive and important transitional biotopes/habitats. Just a suggestion to consider from an old deep-sea biologist. [14:08:32] LAT : 39.840228 , LON : -66.22698 , DEPTH : 1805.9431 m, TEMP : 3.77104 C, SAL : 34.95318 PSU, DO : 6.91147 mg/l [14:10:54] kensulak leaves the room [14:13:29] @Ken: Noted! [14:13:33] LAT : 39.839992 , LON : -66.227206 , DEPTH : 1806.0196 m, TEMP : 3.77265 C, SAL : 34.95524 PSU, DO : 6.89329 mg/l [14:18:33] LAT : 39.839818 , LON : -66.227401 , DEPTH : 1806.12 m, TEMP : 3.78022 C, SAL : 34.95861 PSU, DO : 7.30199 mg/l [14:18:34] noellehelder leaves the room [14:19:55] It's something we've definitely talked about on this cruise Ken, and I think is being brought up more and more. [14:20:00] jasonchaytor leaves the room [14:23:34] LAT : 39.839587 , LON : -66.227675 , DEPTH : 1806.1952 m, TEMP : 3.78244 C, SAL : 34.95579 PSU, DO : 7.13962 mg/l [14:25:14] Lots of ctenophores and snow in the water today, considering we're at over 1800m [14:25:26] 100% for abyssal sediment dives!! :-) [14:26:44] noellehelder leaves the room [14:28:35] LAT : 39.839526 , LON : -66.22794 , DEPTH : 1851.853 m, TEMP : 3.75034 C, SAL : 34.96259 PSU, DO : 6.81136 mg/l [14:32:04] 50m off bottom [14:33:35] LAT : 39.839126 , LON : -66.228513 , DEPTH : 1905.7325 m, TEMP : 3.65708 C, SAL : 34.95439 PSU, DO : 7.50233 mg/l [14:34:32] kelseyviator leaves the room [14:34:37] 30m off bottom [14:35:09] Bottom in sight [14:35:20] bottom in sight [14:36:15] Hello [14:36:29] good morning/afternoon/evening everyone [14:36:40] EX2104_DIVE19 ROV on Bottom [14:36:45] Interesting looking bottom already! [14:36:46] cindyvandover leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [14:36:53] cindyvandover leaves the room [14:38:03] looks nice [14:38:36] LAT : 39.838936 , LON : -66.228773 , DEPTH : 1937.563 m, TEMP : 3.53889 C, SAL : 34.99942 PSU, DO : 6.66275 mg/l [14:38:51] Nice! [14:39:06] Just what we were hoping for! [14:39:20] look at all those ophs! [14:39:52] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [14:40:24] kelseyviator leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [14:41:45] emilycrum leaves the room [14:43:07] haroldcarlson leaves the room [14:43:36] LAT : 39.838937 , LON : -66.228797 , DEPTH : 1937.6366 m, TEMP : 3.55882 C, SAL : 34.94655 PSU, DO : 5.8551 mg/l [14:44:05] Get offa me! [14:44:24] It is alive isidid, which is interesting for all that crinoid cover. [14:44:29] pile on!! [14:44:33] *a live [14:47:21] Acanella behind Stauropathes [14:47:49] I don't think Leiopathes has such angular branches... [14:48:37] LAT : 39.838835 , LON : -66.228722 , DEPTH : 1933.9057 m, TEMP : 3.5919 C, SAL : 34.9301 PSU, DO : 6.40986 mg/l [14:48:50] Whatever it was, I agree with Roland that it was not a barnacle [14:51:22] it looks Acanthogorgiid for me. [14:51:49] christophermah leaves the room [14:53:38] LAT : 39.838875 , LON : -66.229026 , DEPTH : 1934.3262 m, TEMP : 3.59112 C, SAL : 34.94492 PSU, DO : 7.06773 mg/l [14:53:44] noellehelder leaves the room [14:54:08] this is a gadiform species ... lepidion [14:54:24] Scott - yep a hake, Lepidion, probably L. eques [14:54:29] Is a hake at least a gadiform? [14:54:35] Whew! :-) [14:54:45] nice beat up look from poking around under ledges and in crevices [14:56:34] We still haven't quite figured out if these "forked" whips are a response to damage/injury or a separate species that branches "late" in life. [14:57:06] purple Clavlariid at the base rock [14:58:07] B clade though I think [14:58:38] LAT : 39.839 , LON : -66.229023 , DEPTH : 1934.4264 m, TEMP : 3.60161 C, SAL : 34.94933 PSU, DO : 6.09088 mg/l [15:00:01] looks like Rossia egg cases [15:00:05] look like egg capsules to me [15:00:45] bob tail squid [15:01:36] cindyvandover leaves the room [15:03:25] Parantipathes [15:03:38] LAT : 39.838844 , LON : -66.228926 , DEPTH : 1933.3983 m, TEMP : 3.61778 C, SAL : 34.93677 PSU, DO : 6.8383 mg/l [15:03:43] thanks Asako) [15:03:53] hi Tina! [15:04:02] hi here [15:04:51] @Tina: Privet! [15:06:47] @scott, Privet) what are these reddish-brown bottlebrushes? [15:06:52] fewer pteropods in the sediment mix? [15:07:27] @Tina: have seen Acanella - is that what you mean? Or the Parantipathes? [15:07:49] Parantipathes I have seen, may be Acanella indeed [15:08:38] LAT : 39.838791 , LON : -66.229035 , DEPTH : 1931.9911 m, TEMP : 3.63378 C, SAL : 34.94143 PSU, DO : 6.84388 mg/l [15:09:03] my video chopping.. [15:09:34] @Asako: looks good here. [15:09:52] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [15:10:34] Kinds couch potato looking... [15:10:39] C [15:10:41] *kinda [15:10:45] Chondraster [15:10:57] a pink more stellate form of the white ones we saw out on the seamounts [15:11:01] I think we may have seen one a dive or two ago... [15:11:02] hm... beatroot-like for me) [15:11:21] unclear what the color means perhaps better food? [15:11:29] piggi-pink [15:12:00] Plexaurids? [15:12:16] @Chris: do we know yet if urchins are feeding on coral directly or if they are grazing stuff (bacteria?) from coral skeleton? [15:12:32] Hemicorallium [15:12:36] Echinus [15:13:08] Hemicorallium niobe I suspect because of the life on it. [15:13:12] actually this branch is long dead and covered with hydroids [15:13:37] meganmcculler leaves the room [15:13:39] LAT : 39.838717 , LON : -66.229018 , DEPTH : 1932.591 m, TEMP : 3.63205 C, SAL : 34.94758 PSU, DO : 6.4301 mg/l [15:13:43] and right there is a brownish red coral [15:13:55] small colony at sponge [15:13:55] kimberlygalvez leaves the room [15:14:42] Hemicoralliuym recruit to left of cup coral? [15:14:50] 2 small pink polyps... [15:16:11] bamboo whip [15:17:43] what are these black corals? [15:17:52] Stauropatehs? [15:17:54] noellehelder leaves the room [15:18:05] @Tina: we had a look earlier at one that had branching like a Stauropathes [15:18:27] christophermah leaves the room [15:18:40] LAT : 39.83869 , LON : -66.229007 , DEPTH : 1933.1081 m, TEMP : 3.65903 C, SAL : 34.94266 PSU, DO : 6.39619 mg/l [15:18:44] No brittle star! [15:18:54] Hemicorallium niobe has commensal polychaetes on the large branches living in excavations. So a close up of the side with polyps will tell for sure [15:19:21] current sediment ripples [15:21:33] This is the wrong side. [15:22:55] normally tunnels are more visible near base [15:23:35] Is that a branching Parantipathes (passed back on left)? [15:23:40] LAT : 39.837964 , LON : -66.228425 , DEPTH : 1935.3834 m, TEMP : 3.66137 C, SAL : 34.94708 PSU, DO : 6.89025 mg/l [15:23:46] I splendens... [15:23:58] Paragorgia on the edge [15:24:52] and the shrimp Bathypalaemonella serratipalma [15:25:52] noellehelder leaves the room [15:26:14] oo cidaroid urchin [15:26:34] Paragorgia, probably johnsoni [15:26:50] solitaly hydrozoa [15:26:53] I'm hoping we find a Parastenella atlantica, a primnoid whose holotype specimen came from Retriever Seamount. Only a couple of specimens known, as far as I know. [15:26:55] oops no... Echinus [15:27:46] Acanella [15:27:50] jasonchaytor leaves the room [15:28:41] LAT : 39.838687 , LON : -66.229092 , DEPTH : 1933.9447 m, TEMP : 3.66109 C, SAL : 34.947 PSU, DO : 6.66387 mg/l [15:29:20] little cyclothone fish swimming by [15:29:43] what is approxinmation of density here? [15:30:03] The domed surface of the seamount top compresses current stream lines, and if incoming bottom current is strong enough, a hydraulic 'jump' is engendered by the interaction of the topography and the current. That jump results in persistent large and small eddies that keep particulates circulating in place over the dome - facilitating the lot of suspension feeders and particulate pickers [15:30:23] Some impressively large Acanella colonies up here. [15:31:07] stolons and polyps [15:31:50] kimberlygalvez leaves the room [15:32:16] I think with worm-run.. [15:32:40] I can't tell on my small screen [15:32:54] it has to me like small branches close to stem [15:33:07] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [15:33:14] can we check the nearly dead Metallogorgia? [15:33:27] so it has to be like brnaches with 2-3 polyps near stem [15:33:32] kelseyviator leaves the room [15:33:42] LAT : 39.83862 , LON : -66.229026 , DEPTH : 1931.4876 m, TEMP : 3.67201 C, SAL : 34.93898 PSU, DO : 6.68106 mg/l [15:34:15] it was a little further to the left [15:34:56] that is a juvenile [15:35:26] kimberlygalvez leaves the room [15:35:43] not nearly dead but nearly born :) [15:35:53] @Scott - Interesting re lowest branches. Seems energetically inefficient ... but evolution suggests something different. [15:36:03] tinamolodtsova leaves the room [15:36:04] we would like to know, who dies first, the coral or the brittle star? I think the former... [15:36:31] @Les: I agree. Coral first. Oph hangs on as long as it can. [15:36:44] kimberlygalvez leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [15:38:07] Hormathiid anemone and Actinernus anemone [15:38:31] Sea pen below Actinernus [15:38:37] Anthoptilum type [15:38:42] LAT : 39.838434 , LON : -66.229167 , DEPTH : 1933.364 m, TEMP : 3.66995 C, SAL : 34.95382 PSU, DO : 6.28199 mg/l [15:38:46] I am getting the impression that many of the loose pebbles/cobbles are IRD-dropstones, a lot of different colors, size, shapes [15:39:06] Rock pen!! [15:39:48] kelseyviator leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [15:39:52] looks different what we seen in previous dive [15:40:03] is there more than one species? [15:40:07] Yes, the ones yesterday did not have the curl [15:40:31] is, there are currently 4 species of rock pens [15:40:35] @Vonda; there are currently 3 described species of rock pen, but only 1 known from Atlantic [15:40:54] Upasana: 4? I thought 3 with a formal name? [15:40:56] awesome - thanks;) [15:41:18] no, there are 4 describes rock pen species [15:41:27] kimberlygalvez leaves the room [15:41:29] we had a rockpen during Ecomar. it was Anthoptilum. [15:41:38] @Upasana: you are the expert! [15:41:44] BrittanyPetersen leaves the room [15:41:50] apparently genetic sample may exist [15:41:59] noellehelder leaves the room [15:42:22] Tammy Horton has to know [15:43:21] @Tina: Upasana has sequneces from at least 5, possibly a couple of more, rock pens. Some undescribed. [15:43:35] @Tina: all are related. [15:43:43] LAT : 39.838459 , LON : -66.229428 , DEPTH : 1930.9185 m, TEMP : 3.66644 C, SAL : 34.95148 PSU, DO : 6.73406 mg/l [15:45:37] christophermah leaves the room [15:45:59] haroldcarlson leaves the room [15:46:16] My earlier mistake on the rock pens: in 2011 Gary Williams described 3 new species of rock pen, but also noted an existing species could be added to the "rock pens". So, as Upasana notes, 4 species known. [15:47:48] red crab - Chaceon [15:47:51] yes, A. decipiens being very rarw, there is no recent specimen of it [15:48:06] But the species known from the Atlantic was placed in the genus Calibelemnon, not Anthoptilum. So a question about what we were just looking at. Same or different. I'll note Upasana's genetic evidence suggests the "Calibelemnon" is actually an Anthoptilum, or at least should be in the same genus as the other rock pens. [15:48:44] LAT : 39.838493 , LON : -66.229423 , DEPTH : 1932.1985 m, TEMP : 3.67346 C, SAL : 34.94546 PSU, DO : 6.69836 mg/l [15:50:43] @scott, they had huge bent colony [15:50:47] crooked [15:51:23] plastic bag [15:52:04] screw-whip [15:52:40] wild! [15:53:03] these big whips are either B or D clade [15:53:45] LAT : 39.838374 , LON : -66.229306 , DEPTH : 1923.3443 m, TEMP : 3.68632 C, SAL : 34.95053 PSU, DO : 6.22957 mg/l [15:54:04] I am guessing B clade because of the high polyp density [15:54:18] I think a lot of the fuzz on the rock is Acanthogorgia [15:54:26] Grendier/rattail [15:54:29] fish [15:54:38] *grenadier [15:54:49] Grenadier - Nezumia [15:54:58] very big eyes [15:55:14] said Goldilocks to the wolf [15:55:51] some big rovs are able to catch fish with sac... [15:55:59] @Tina: is this a Parantipathes, or something else? [15:56:02] @Tina - what's the bushy branching black coral? [15:56:07] Lots of branching... [15:56:25] We should get a good close-up next time we pass one. [15:56:40] @vonda, it is kind of Parantipathes. I think it is one described in Sibopatehs [15:56:54] shorter red morph [15:57:09] @Tina: we had labeled on of them Sibopathes that we collected here, but I wasn't sure if that was valid. [15:57:38] @scott, it goes to parantipathes anyway. [15:57:46] Peter - I think that is not Nezumia. Too elongate, too silvery, and swimming vigorously and horizontally - rather than moving along slowly and obliquely. I think maybe that was Ventrifossa [15:57:50] an amazing field of Metallogorgia [15:57:55] morphologically as well [15:58:11] Paramuricea [15:58:42] very nice contracted polyps right [15:58:46] LAT : 39.838168 , LON : -66.229466 , DEPTH : 1924.905 m, TEMP : 3.68281 C, SAL : 34.95097 PSU, DO : 6.29397 mg/l [15:58:50] Asteroschema? [15:59:11] worm at the base? [15:59:41] AKen - thanks - I've seen Nezumia behave like that off bottom and when disturbed ... but will check the stills/video post-dive [15:59:54] b star has been identified as Asteroschema clavata from previous samples, might have the species wrong... [16:00:56] chris, it was a weird brittstar [16:01:04] at the base [16:01:18] very small disk [16:01:29] thanks Tina.. hope we can zoom close next time. [16:01:59] Can't tell if I'm seeing a carpet of sponges or sediment pockets [16:02:18] Sediment pockets, I think [16:02:20] can we zoom at sediment? [16:02:21] gravel covered sediment plain [16:02:38] urchin! [16:02:53] something-some [16:03:17] Look for the juvenile cusk eel! [16:03:41] @ChrisM if you want to play with these brittle stars I have several hundred in my lab that we have collected from these seamounts [16:03:46] LAT : 39.838172 , LON : -66.229613 , DEPTH : 1924.1729 m, TEMP : 3.68521 C, SAL : 34.94812 PSU, DO : 6.56783 mg/l [16:03:56] Check out the recruit to left front of urchin! [16:03:59] this one is toxic? [16:04:04] Acanthogorgia, I think [16:04:58] I think perhaps what I said were sediment patches are actually all xenophyophores. [16:05:02] pen [16:05:04] Sea Pen! [16:05:14] some-pen [16:05:17] Penntula/Ptillela like [16:05:28] *Pennatula [16:05:48] NOT a rock pen. :-) [16:05:50] what a lot of xenophyophores... [16:05:51] yes .. :) [16:06:10] I have to check [16:06:16] Good eye on the aplacophoran earlier! I called in to say hi but I'm always too slow on the draw. Just to comment on the names, Aplacophora is a higher-level group that includes two sub-clades. Solenogastres is the group y'all pretty much always see that live epibenthically and can commonly be found on corals and hydroids. There is another group that mostly burrow called Caudofoveata. [16:06:18] @Rhian: believe it or not, while you were at lunch we saw a rock pen! [16:06:26] actually number of rows is a character [16:06:40] would love to suction those mysids! [16:06:45] No...did you realy??? [16:06:50] We did. [16:06:54] Really. [16:07:00] Tucked under a ledge [16:07:15] back ridge is also a characteristic [16:07:18] @les, but you need to be focused on corals) [16:07:38] @vonda, but we have seem leaves) [16:08:10] @Kevin: thanks for chiming in! [16:08:47] LAT : 39.83797 , LON : -66.229675 , DEPTH : 1922.522 m, TEMP : 3.68833 C, SAL : 34.94852 PSU, DO : 6.80766 mg/l [16:09:33] My pleasure! I'm always happy to ID any aplacophoran specimens collected and material in RNAlater would be super useful for my NSF career project :D [16:10:32] seapen [16:10:59] can we up zoom? [16:11:13] Chiming in late, but this is a different species from the ones seen earlier [16:11:25] Halipteris? [16:11:32] halipteris? [16:11:50] you need to look at polyps to be sure( [16:12:23] looks like a halipteris, the video is very grainy on my end, so could not see it clearly [16:12:49] Video getting choppy here as well. [16:12:53] @Scott - looks like it. It has changed to Balticina (= Halipteris) I believe [16:12:57] choppy video [16:13:08] mine is worse. choppy video and pixelized [16:13:13] I have no video at all for the moment( [16:13:22] I won) [16:13:37] I was having video issues for a few minutes but its much better now [16:13:47] LAT : 39.83802 , LON : -66.229776 , DEPTH : 1920.7235 m, TEMP : 3.69936 C, SAL : 34.94053 PSU, DO : 6.49002 mg/l [16:13:59] )) [16:14:04] Thanks Vonda. I clearly have some catching up to do on my sea pen taxonomy! [16:14:08] we've become very spoiled by the superb video [16:14:20] I have reported it [16:14:28] not like in the olden days.... [16:15:33] hope it will be OK video in seatube( [16:15:38] looks like a more unstable slope than where the corals were as well [16:16:05] still some Xenos, but less [16:16:09] They are assessing the video onshore - hope it comes back too! [16:16:26] coral! [16:16:31] or else [16:16:37] paamuricea [16:17:32] If there exist Placogorgia, I cannot distinguish it with Paramuricea in the video.. [16:17:40] jasonchaytor leaves the room [16:17:40] abother sea pen [16:17:50] @Asako: agreed! [16:18:05] @Asako: not sure I can do it under a microscope! :-) [16:18:47] LAT : 39.837784 , LON : -66.229648 , DEPTH : 1915.8361 m, TEMP : 3.71183 C, SAL : 34.93934 PSU, DO : 6.70064 mg/l [16:18:49] stevenauscavitch leaves the room [16:19:33] Have we moved further east or west along the track line up the pinnacle? I'm wondering if we have moved into a current shadow... I wouldn't have expected that on this bottom feature. I figured the currents would wrap around it. [16:19:49] Have cobbble, will settle. [16:20:02] Port in a storm. [16:20:14] heatherjudkins leaves the room [16:20:27] bouquet community [16:20:36] @Scott - we are on our track [16:21:10] @Scott: I never heard anyone mentioned Placogorgia in the ROV dives, but they exist.. [16:21:16] @Rhian: I didn't mean to imply we drifted off track. I meant does the track cross to east or west (or north or south) as we rise? [16:21:31] kimberlygalvez leaves the room [16:22:08] N-S [16:23:07] @Rhian: I'm just trying to get a sense of whether we have moved behind an obstruction, so to speak, relative to where we started. This will come out post dive when we have more tools to compare dive track with topography and video. [16:23:48] LAT : 39.83774 , LON : -66.229906 , DEPTH : 1912.1074 m, TEMP : 3.7076 C, SAL : 34.94845 PSU, DO : 6.59579 mg/l [16:24:12] @Jason: right. Are we in a local chute? [16:24:27] @Scott - yes, I don;t think we have, I think we've just hit a flat spot on the track which was expected, though admittedly lower [16:24:35] jaymesawbrey leaves the room [16:24:52] Odd looking rock... [16:24:59] Sponge coated? [16:25:16] encrusting sponge [16:25:30] @Rhian: right. Need to keep being reminded that the actual bottom is more complicated than the smoothed maps! [16:27:07] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [16:27:14] heatherjudkins leaves the room [16:27:22] I think we are in some sort of chute-like environment, more open slope morphology to it [16:28:21] Chrysogorgia, I think. [16:28:33] Havent had a CU of them yet today. [16:28:46] Ooh! Forked forked whip!! [16:28:49] LAT : 39.837667 , LON : -66.230053 , DEPTH : 1902.12 m, TEMP : 3.7081 C, SAL : 34.95235 PSU, DO : 6.59875 mg/l [16:28:58] A secondary branch on the fork. [16:29:31] Isidella [16:29:38] Good eye Rhian! [16:30:33] bramble [16:30:46] Good view. This is an I1 clade [16:31:15] jeanmarcgagnon leaves the room [16:31:17] with Acanella next to it [16:32:02] @Les: maybe even on it! [16:33:26] I thought maybe... [16:33:49] LAT : 39.837566 , LON : -66.230101 , DEPTH : 1901.2804 m, TEMP : 3.73565 C, SAL : 34.93088 PSU, DO : 5.94604 mg/l [16:34:22] BrittanyPetersen leaves the room [16:35:16] Once again, an interesting dearth of primnoids... [16:36:04] jocelyncooper leaves the room [16:36:12] yeah, there should at least be Candidella imbricata, which was pretty much everywhere in the neighborhood [16:36:42] This seamount is obviously a good place for Acanella! [16:37:34] @Scott - prior to this expedition have you seen Acanella on rock like this? We never see it up north... only on soft muds! [16:38:11] @Les: Parastenella atlantica was described from here at 1984 m depth. As far as I know, it is the only know locality for that species. [16:38:20] @Vonda: absolutely [16:38:32] kelseyviator leaves the room [16:38:47] poor video again, if that helps the troubleshooters on shore [16:38:51] LAT : 39.837645 , LON : -66.230095 , DEPTH : 1898.7854 m, TEMP : 3.71016 C, SAL : 34.95323 PSU, DO : 6.25884 mg/l [16:38:52] @Vonda: we've seen this a lot her in western NES. Very cool how it can transition between rock and sediment [16:39:12] I'm frozen on a lovely view of many Acanella [16:39:24] me too [16:39:45] my is still fine with solitaly hidroids, Acanella, crinoids, [16:39:46] moi aussi [16:39:48] nice ydroid: [16:39:55] Relaoding the page helps. [16:40:21] cindyvandover leaves the room [16:41:14] thanks - woul have taken me forever to think of that. Much better [16:41:20] cindyvandover leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [16:41:23] Perhaps some shaggy Acanthogorgia on right... [16:42:05] @Cindy: I periodically reload the page - at least once every 20 minutes. It really helps pick up the lag (important if tyou are on the phone) [16:42:23] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [16:42:36] my phone keeps locking up even when the laptop does not [16:43:50] LAT : 39.837748 , LON : -66.230037 , DEPTH : 1897.8462 m, TEMP : 3.70632 C, SAL : 34.9556 PSU, DO : 6.02099 mg/l [16:44:48] It is more pink in color than the other ornage ones. There are several species of Acanella, so not impossible it is different. Although based on collections to date, all NES Acanella appear to be A. arbuscula. [16:45:26] its crinoids tree! [16:46:06] those darn crinoids.... leave my coral alone! hahaha [16:46:25] any chance it could be a seasonal aggregation of crinoids for repro? [16:46:26] christophermah leaves the room [16:47:49] we have seen these aggregations before, but don't remember whether there was any seasonality... I think they like these intermediate depths [16:47:51] @Cindy: now that is a cool idea. Certainly is known for sea cukes. [16:48:51] LAT : 39.837566 , LON : -66.230021 , DEPTH : 1896.1283 m, TEMP : 3.70726 C, SAL : 34.9508 PSU, DO : 6.34413 mg/l [16:49:14] Those corals would need delousing before going back to school... [16:49:53] @Jason: are you sure you are not from Texas. Bigger always seems to be better for you. [16:50:55] kimberlygalvez leaves the room [16:51:02] I like to make things difficult for those that have to ship and store all the rocks :-) [16:52:14] And take them out of rock box and weigh them and tag them and... Easy to be the on-shore geologist! :-) [16:53:30] we have seen more forked whips here than anywhere else I think [16:53:53] LAT : 39.837575 , LON : -66.230058 , DEPTH : 1890.7951 m, TEMP : 3.74389 C, SAL : 34.9294 PSU, DO : 6.40304 mg/l [16:53:59] Should we target a collection of a forked whip piece? We porbbaly can't get a fork [16:54:00] The 'hanging' dust cloud from that just hoisted rock suggests we are now in a more quiescent current regime - as does the fine sediment draping some rocks and settling into pockets. Seamounts, interacting with laminar currents can engender large stationary Taylor column vortices over and around the top of the seamount, resulting in a quiescent 'eye' in the center over the peak where the settling of fine particles is promoteda [16:54:35] @Rhian: no, no need. I have collected forked whips from out here. Thanks. [16:55:15] Thanks Scott [16:55:19] Where we have time, a close up of the point where the fork originates is useful to determine if it is a natrual looking branch point or a repair job. [16:55:36] @Rhian, but you could get the tips of the two pieces, if you can keep them separate. That way at least the genetic story could be had accurately [16:56:25] I see @Scott had a different answer... haha... I defer to him [16:56:49] @Rhian: I should clarify that I mean we have collected forked whips from the NES, but not from Retreiver. So I'm making the assumption they are the same thing. [16:57:00] Paragorgia coralloides with zonathids [16:57:14] Stoloniferous octo on rock face [16:57:28] Actually, may be a cornulariid [16:57:46] Thoise octocorals have a tough external coating on the ribbon [16:58:53] LAT : 39.837484 , LON : -66.229974 , DEPTH : 1891.6531 m, TEMP : 3.75084 C, SAL : 34.95563 PSU, DO : 6.45319 mg/l [16:59:19] The only isidids thta have ben collected from Retriever are Acanella and one bramble (not the bramble we saw earlier, which was an "isidella") [16:59:24] Cool! [17:01:13] tinamolodtsova leaves the room [17:02:22] polyps on those branches are different [17:02:45] @Les: volcano-like polyps but with excessively long needles. I don't know that I've seen that before... [17:02:50] main branch looks like B clade, little branch looks like D clade [17:03:03] I think they were the same Les - at least the ones that were open further up that branch. [17:03:11] This could actually be the case of a larva settling on another colony! [17:03:24] the current seems to be bit faster than I expected [17:03:36] I didn't see the long needles on the main branch polyps [17:03:40] Time to plan a repeat trip with the monument folks to do some detailed sampling!@ [17:03:48] lots of knocked over corals [17:03:53] LAT : 39.837473 , LON : -66.230078 , DEPTH : 1889.8183 m, TEMP : 3.74578 C, SAL : 34.94697 PSU, DO : 7.02848 mg/l [17:04:32] love that anemone [17:05:24] why is something so gorgeous living down here in the dark? (rhetorical question!) [17:05:38] nice ophiacanthid ophiuroid [17:05:46] haroldcarlson leaves the room [17:05:52] they don't like humans? [17:06:15] best answer yet @Peter [17:06:52] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [17:08:54] LAT : 39.837421 , LON : -66.230062 , DEPTH : 1885.0845 m, TEMP : 3.73003 C, SAL : 34.95487 PSU, DO : 6.76444 mg/l [17:08:57] zoom on starfish? [17:10:34] Chondraster [17:10:44] OMG real life Patrick and [17:10:47] sponge bob!! [17:11:08] Next to yellow spongebob [17:11:16] What are they scheming this time? [17:11:29] amphipod on a sediment whip [17:12:05] I was going to say, at the foot of the star, but then, which foot?? [17:12:24] Patrick Star, to use his full name [17:13:47] I haven't seen any sponge that looks like that, so I'm going to guess Hemicorallium or Paragorgia skeleton. [17:13:56] LAT : 39.837346 , LON : -66.22991 , DEPTH : 1885.4919 m, TEMP : 3.73565 C, SAL : 34.95302 PSU, DO : 6.60629 mg/l [17:16:39] Good eye! [17:17:00] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [17:17:13] Ah. I thopught it was going to be more exciting. Not that I am sponge bashing. [17:18:54] LAT : 39.83735 , LON : -66.23013 , DEPTH : 1881.0733 m, TEMP : 3.73365 C, SAL : 34.95505 PSU, DO : 6.7007 mg/l [17:18:58] star on the right? [17:19:21] They're just assessing if they are seeing fishing line, stand by [17:19:32] Roger. [17:19:58] gotcha [17:20:00] @Rhian: on surface, or down here? [17:20:10] here [17:20:14] Copy. [17:21:00] Bamboo coral holding a flower at tip [17:21:15] Can we zoom on the whip on right? [17:21:19] All good [17:21:23] Sorry to interupt Jason... [17:21:29] Zooming in on the whip with the tissue hanigning down [17:21:38] Cool. You are on it! [17:23:20] well, that's weird [17:23:34] Only after we get ahold of them! [17:23:54] LAT : 39.837344 , LON : -66.230058 , DEPTH : 1884.3691 m, TEMP : 3.73114 C, SAL : 34.95405 PSU, DO : 6.27904 mg/l [17:24:17] Scott - Coenochyme vs Coenosarc?? Same thing? [17:24:41] interesting how many of these Metallogorgia are very mature, old?, but no sign of senescence. [17:24:46] My last comment was a response to Rhian's comment on not having seen tissue hanging off like that. I've only seen it when we attempt to collect. Something was having its way with that whip. [17:24:52] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [17:25:50] @Ken: I would say same thing, but willing to be corrected. Coenosarc may be the term used for scleractinians. [17:26:36] Chaceon red crab? [17:26:55] No, not Chaceon [17:27:02] This is... [17:27:07] neolithodes [17:27:11] trying to dredge up name [17:27:15] Thanks! [17:27:22] It is a king crab relative [17:27:26] so not missing legs [17:27:33] Lithodes crab [17:27:36] what is the capsel-like to the left? [17:27:48] Note it appears to have only 4 pairs of legs... [17:27:53] last legs tucked under carapace [17:27:56] the 5th is greatly reduced [17:28:28] @Asako: sorry - missed capsule as I was typing [17:28:33] 5th pair used for gill cleaning [17:28:34] worth reviewing the video of the etched? FeMn crust by the coral...putting it here to remind myself [17:28:55] LAT : 39.837205 , LON : -66.230166 , DEPTH : 1881.4105 m, TEMP : 3.72981 C, SAL : 34.95119 PSU, DO : 6.86115 mg/l [17:29:05] christophermah leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [17:29:12] @Jason: I'd be surprised if crust is etched, so will look forward to the report [17:29:18] etching may be a good records of dminant flow directions [17:30:06] Was too slow, but we may have just apssed over a Candidella. Will look out for another one. [17:30:26] Regadrella [17:31:02] its interesting how they are growing in a cluster [17:31:31] syncytial.... [17:32:00] pteropods in the sediment [17:33:22] Interesting how much sediment these large plate sponges accumulate on uppr surface [17:33:23] Chondraster [17:33:31] yes. [17:33:32] Hey! Swiftia! [17:33:50] yep, not doing too well... [17:33:54] poor Switia, all toppled over [17:33:55] LAT : 39.837256 , LON : -66.230123 , DEPTH : 1878.0013 m, TEMP : 3.72747 C, SAL : 34.95279 PSU, DO : 6.50522 mg/l [17:34:38] this is the one we saw the other day... at first I thought Pseudarchaster but I think Bathyceramaster [17:34:51] I can't tell if some of these "bottlebrush" are Crysogorgia or all Acanella... [17:35:45] @chris , my guess was Bathyceramaster but I doubted myself... [17:36:21] Acanella [17:36:25] yes.. 6 armed is just a variant of the one we collected the other day... Bathyceramaster the more I look at them [17:36:52] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [17:36:58] Bonus arm [17:37:12] @megan indeed. I described it and sometimes they throw even me! [17:37:34] leswatling leaves the room [17:37:52] Was that a double headed Metallogorgia? [17:38:04] No, two stalks....sorry! [17:38:56] LAT : 39.837179 , LON : -66.230235 , DEPTH : 1870.8066 m, TEMP : 3.72524 C, SAL : 34.95154 PSU, DO : 6.36344 mg/l [17:39:00] Really ice view of the waxy roots of Acaenlla there [17:39:43] Chaunax roseus [17:39:47] TRying to lure D2... [17:39:55] Chaunacops* [17:40:10] Chaunacops roseus [17:40:19] @Rhian if we see another one of those pink Chondraster can we collect one? I'd like to compare with the white one from farther out that we collected the other day [17:41:11] do you mean teh fish Meagan? sorry not familiar with that name so wasn't sure what you were saying it was [17:41:35] Yes @Chris [17:41:38] Yes, the fish is Chaunacops roseus [17:42:12] why the name 'coffin' fish? [17:42:24] v. macabre [17:42:28] Much thanks Rhian! [17:43:11] Not sure what this large colony is... [17:43:23] Large Acathogorgia or Paramuricea...? [17:44:00] LAT : 39.837135 , LON : -66.230363 , DEPTH : 1868.9956 m, TEMP : 3.72714 C, SAL : 34.94376 PSU, DO : 6.1655 mg/l [17:44:02] not only large one! small many Acanthogorgia [17:44:04] can we get a closer view on the polyps? [17:44:05] It must be a large Plexaurid [17:44:24] could be... [17:44:39] Plexauridae is the family to which Paramuricea belongs [17:44:49] why its so dark? [17:44:59] angle of the light bar [17:45:25] Collect? [17:45:29] Seems unusual.....? [17:45:57] All I can say is we haven't collected anything like this on Retriever... [17:46:04] So would be a good collection. [17:46:08] its beautiful.. [17:46:13] I think it is definitely a plexaurid [17:46:24] this is tough to tell, but I think plexaurid [17:46:28] but is it a Paramuricea biscaya? [17:46:30] seems like something good to collect for management planning [17:46:34] If so, it is a very old one. [17:46:56] Collecting a branch [17:46:58] Cindy - I do not know who coined the name coffinfish, or why. More generally, these fishes have long been called 'gapers' and 'sea toads' - both better names [17:46:59] The fact it has all those snake stars also supports Plexauridae [17:47:00] if the community feels it would be helpful [17:47:44] great if we got one of those Asteroschema also! [17:48:07] Agree wit Rhian re: sampling. No brnmahc more critical than other [17:48:09] thank you again! [17:48:16] internet here funky today - long delay in my comments registering - a bit awkward [17:48:23] This will need cutting! [17:48:28] It won't snap. [17:48:45] If you don't cut, you risk pulling the entire colony down [17:48:56] LAT : 39.837255 , LON : -66.230287 , DEPTH : 1868.0912 m, TEMP : 3.70108 C, SAL : 34.95746 PSU, DO : 6.10915 mg/l [17:49:08] yes, you need cut. don't pull [17:49:11] It should cut easily, though. [17:51:28] So beautiful! [17:51:35] Great clipping [17:51:47] nice work [17:51:54] Leaves the rest of that magnificent colony in place. [17:51:58] that looks great! [17:52:23] I love that you dissect at 1900 m. [17:52:44] These pilots are talented! [17:52:48] nice cut! [17:53:01] That arm is a beast and not for the faint-hearted to manipulate. [17:53:31] @Scott .. and have a great apprciation for conservation [17:53:56] LAT : 39.83723 , LON : -66.230334 , DEPTH : 1868.3451 m, TEMP : 3.66421 C, SAL : 34.96986 PSU, DO : 6.26042 mg/l [17:54:49] Good morning, sorry I wasn't able to join chat today. Did we get a rock sample(s) from one of these late stage volcanic cones? [17:55:03] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [17:55:10] @kevin, we have collected 2 rocks [17:55:12] We have two Kevin! [17:55:18] Awesome, thanks [17:55:32] Irido [17:55:56] Agreed: Chrysogorgia. I wasn't crazy earlier! [17:56:08] They're here! [17:56:09] Well, maybe I was. But I also saw some Chrysogorgia! [17:56:34] So now where are the Candidella and Parastenella...? [17:57:46] When an Asteroschema is removed from a Callgorgia americana, a thick black surfurus inky fluid exudes copiously from the snake star. Wonder if there is some chemical commensalism involved - not just using the coral as a perch?? [17:57:51] what happend for the long isidid falling down.... [17:58:04] @Asako: taking a nap [17:58:57] LAT : 39.837205 , LON : -66.230367 , DEPTH : 1866.5817 m, TEMP : 3.64025 C, SAL : 34.96191 PSU, DO : 6.70044 mg/l [17:59:59] @Scott I want to have a nap instead of Isidid [18:00:04] We may have apssed over another Candidella. Keep eye out for whitish palnar colonies similar to Hemicorallim, but flatter, e.g. not curled like a radar dish [18:00:49] Agrteed: Paragorgia [18:01:11] Or, at least, Paragorgiidae. Sibogagorgia could potentially be out here. [18:01:26] crinoid whip [18:01:39] Chrysogorgia to left [18:03:57] LAT : 39.837147 , LON : -66.230312 , DEPTH : 1866.0046 m, TEMP : 3.62999 C, SAL : 34.9502 PSU, DO : 6.65362 mg/l [18:05:32] @Ken: I think thta is the case for some of these ophs. They are found on only a limited number of hosts, so something specific going on. [18:05:56] @Ken: Asteroschema is one of those taxa [18:06:21] indeed! the colour difference is quite interesting! when I heard the name "red tree coral (Primnoa), I could not understand. because Japanese Primnoa is mostly white! [18:06:22] brittanypetersen leaves the room [18:06:44] metallogorgia melanotrichos [18:08:22] This isidid whip has red-colored tissue at base of colony, which leads me to believe it is in D clade, so different from earlier whips. [18:08:58] LAT : 39.837128 , LON : -66.230419 , DEPTH : 1864.134 m, TEMP : 3.61823 C, SAL : 34.95058 PSU, DO : 7.38713 mg/l [18:10:31] the dive at Retriever in 2019 was so dense with sponges and corals you could barely see the bedrock [18:10:32] christophermah leaves the room [18:11:21] scott - there was a Swiftia a while ago. This depth ~~1900 m must be the very deepest that this coral occurs?? [18:12:15] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [18:12:34] @Ken: let me check what is in my database... [18:12:52] Beautiful view of the holdfast construction [18:13:11] the banded stem is not visible [18:13:20] looks like an old live oak [18:14:03] LAT : 39.837068 , LON : -66.230468 , DEPTH : 1861.8236 m, TEMP : 3.62012 C, SAL : 34.95448 PSU, DO : 6.5704 mg/l [18:14:28] @Ken: deepest Swiftia among the collections I have access to is from 1997 m, actually sampled by Vonda Wareham-Hayes and her colleagues up on Orphan Knoll north of here. [18:15:09] @Meagan: I forgot we were here in 2019! :-( [18:15:18] Did we sample anything at thta time? [18:15:36] @Meagna: no need to answer last: I can check on that. [18:15:51] Another fork! [18:16:03] @Scott: I just finished annotating that dive, it was so dense and diverse it took so long to get through it all [18:16:16] This is the forkiest seamount I've visited... [18:17:12] I. magnipiralis [18:18:55] bramleymurton leaves the room [18:19:01] LAT : 39.83708 , LON : -66.230557 , DEPTH : 1854.7439 m, TEMP : 3.61588 C, SAL : 34.95052 PSU, DO : 6.6901 mg/l [18:19:08] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [18:20:39] Bathypathes sp. just off screen [18:22:27] kevinkonrad leaves the room [18:22:28] This dive is going to keep the annotators busy! [18:22:45] Telopathes black coral [18:22:51] Almost a 'reef' Good site to put down markers, return multiple times, monitor growth rates and change over time [18:22:51] peterauster leaves the room [18:23:25] we sampled a few interesting sponges on that dive: a pink euplectellid, a demosponge that encrusts dead coral skeletons, one of those Chonelasma with soft corals, a ruffly Farreid sponge, Geodia baretti [18:23:33] it was a very spongy dive [18:23:51] Large Paragorgia to left [18:23:59] LAT : 39.836986 , LON : -66.230656 , DEPTH : 1852.0733 m, TEMP : 3.61243 C, SAL : 34.95226 PSU, DO : 6.92882 mg/l [18:24:14] zoom on dead Metallo.. [18:24:56] missed it again, but looked like b star was still there [18:24:59] where in the shot Les? [18:25:03] Insane wide base on this Paragorgia [18:25:15] @Les: yes, B star was there. [18:25:21] will keep and eye out it might not be too far behind [18:25:24] I don't think it was a fully dead colony [18:25:29] it was in the center before the ROV started moving to the left [18:25:30] ok looks like Scott got it [18:25:40] So, it is interesting to note that this area of Retriever has a very coral dominated community while the the area surveyed in 2019 was sponge dominated [18:25:44] Are lasres on? [18:25:52] odd base to it [18:25:56] thick base [18:25:58] would be nice though to have a clear shot image [18:26:07] noellehelder leaves the room [18:26:09] will get laser on after beauty shot [18:26:10] @Meagna: what was depth? [18:26:26] 2 sea spiders [18:28:06] P. johnosoni [18:28:15] *johnsoni [18:28:38] some Candidella at the base' [18:29:00] LAT : 39.837001 , LON : -66.230672 , DEPTH : 1850.9446 m, TEMP : 3.61014 C, SAL : 34.95134 PSU, DO : 6.16333 mg/l [18:29:37] Paragorgia arborea- giant Sequoia of the deep. There is an old photo of Jack Musick (passed away a few months ago) on the back of a trawler - standing next to a 3+ m tall Paragorgia that came up in a deep-sea trawl. [18:30:16] Pilot Change here [18:30:24] Copy that [18:31:11] cindyvandover leaves the room [18:32:04] Risk and company had estimated a colony off Newfoundland at > 300 yrs [18:32:34] @Scott: 2019 dive max depth was 2500-2670 m [18:32:55] The picture of Jack was from NOAA Ship Delaware off Virginia ... I think [18:32:58] @Peter: do you recall how they did it? They don't have clear rings in the skeleton. [18:33:12] @Meagan: thanks. Considerably deeper than the apex here. [18:34:01] LAT : 39.837037 , LON : -66.230649 , DEPTH : 1849.6673 m, TEMP : 3.60283 C, SAL : 34.94978 PSU, DO : 6.44978 mg/l [18:34:17] I recall it was based on elemental ratios ... I have the paper somewhere. Les and I noted the age in the 2005 book from the DSC Symposium [18:34:36] We are fortunate that we had a dedicated group of sceintists and managers who pushed for this monument. Well done! [18:35:38] @Scott I remember that I read the paper of estimation of age of Paragorgia using ring-like morphology before. [18:36:20] I photographed a 7 foot high colony in the museum in Wellington that was brought in by a fisherman. It was age dated at 800 years using C14 [18:36:45] Sponge bling. [18:38:31] We have about one hour remaining [18:38:31] cindyvandover leaves the room [18:38:34] Peter - I think you are right. Jack had a number of deep trawling cruises using the MV Delaware back in the late 1960s, early 1970s. I have a copy of that photo somewhere, but hardcopy, not digital [18:38:37] there are no rings in Paragorgia. In fact, we were told the main problem with age dating this group is that the interior sclerites gradually corrode to true age is under estimated [18:38:42] Hmm... Hungry, hungry urchin? [18:39:01] LAT : 39.836929 , LON : -66.23089 , DEPTH : 1846.9382 m, TEMP : 3.59464 C, SAL : 34.9516 PSU, DO : 6.77851 mg/l [18:39:03] @Les: that is what I thuoght - no rings [18:39:29] lovely Echinus feed shot! [18:39:32] D clade bamboo [18:39:49] If the colony had rings then it was Primnoa resediformis [18:40:38] that Echinus has nicely stripped all the polyps - what happens when it gets to the end of the whip?? And how long does it take to graze that length of the whip? [18:41:08] Float to the bottom and move on? [18:41:17] I wonder how many decades it has been at this [18:41:21] conceivably a very long time.. months [18:41:25] I wish we could see the mouth... [18:41:47] @Chris: has Echinus been found with sclerites in gut? [18:42:29] why is there tissue on the base? [18:42:30] jeanmarcgagnon leaves the room [18:43:10] maybe its regenerating from tissue left at the base.... then will cover over the old nodes [18:43:12] @Les its not the true ring. that's why I was so surprised. I have tried making section of some other Scleraxonia and actually it was something difference of density. I don't know it is actually related to annual/or something, though. [18:43:29] I don't think we have explored that dynamic [18:43:34] Good opportunity to land a photo-lander for long-term observation [18:43:47] at least not in Echinus.. [18:43:49] Maybe we can create a little lab on the seafloor to watch these guys! Like an infrared camera? [18:43:52] What is going on here? [18:43:56] Agree @Asako, difference in density is likely [18:44:02] LAT : 39.836863 , LON : -66.230772 , DEPTH : 1846.7583 m, TEMP : 3.58671 C, SAL : 34.9579 PSU, DO : 6.44879 mg/l [18:44:46] noellehelder leaves the room [18:44:50] a fitting way to end a dive series.... with a bizzarro coral [18:45:46] jasonchaytor leaves the room [18:46:22] Scott - that is exactly what happens to mangrove rhizomes. Normally they never branch - unless bored into by a particular invert. Branching happens right there where the injury has occurred [18:48:17] @Les ... and maybe a fish? [18:48:58] For reference - the mangrove branching study was the PhD dissertation of Robert Allen Brooks - I thing Univ. S. Florida [18:49:03] LAT : 39.836872 , LON : -66.230921 , DEPTH : 1844.3581 m, TEMP : 3.58387 C, SAL : 34.95249 PSU, DO : 6.80789 mg/l [18:49:26] @Peter, maybe a diving beaked whale... [18:49:55] Yeah ... beaked whale ... with a fish in it's mouth! [18:50:13] that would be great Peter! [18:51:43] The deep sea awaits the evolution of a serious coral-munching fish. There are vert few: Neocyttus and Notacanthus, but confined to shallower depths [18:52:12] kimberlygalvez leaves the room [18:53:08] Currents are up to 2.5knots on the surface, we are likely to retrieve early [18:53:53] No doubt at the same time we see the rock pen again! [18:54:01] LAT : 39.836805 , LON : -66.230941 , DEPTH : 1843.3143 m, TEMP : 3.58036 C, SAL : 34.95214 PSU, DO : 7.19344 mg/l [18:54:09] roger @Rhian [18:55:21] What were the pink wormy things...? [18:55:43] I'm looking back... [18:56:03] @Kevin: not sure if they were aplacs... [18:56:22] white star on the left? [18:56:25] my guess was aplacophorans, @Scott, but I didn't get a good look [18:56:26] They might have been - they were being tugged around sorry! [18:56:57] Younger stage Polymastia [18:57:28] that sponge seems to have a pretty wide distribution both vertical as well as horizontal [18:57:54] I watched twice... May have been some sort of scaly aplac but I couldn't tell from the video [18:57:55] sarahbingo leaves the room [18:58:04] Ampipod whips [18:58:34] Here is the deep-sea spider webs we've seen and wondered about in past [18:58:52] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [18:58:57] [not really spider webs, of course] [18:58:59] NIfty mucus string web [18:59:03] LAT : 39.836668 , LON : -66.231089 , DEPTH : 1843.6289 m, TEMP : 3.57784 C, SAL : 34.95318 PSU, DO : 6.55565 mg/l [18:59:28] Scott - has anyone determined the origin of those mucus string webs?? [18:59:45] @Ken: lots of guesses, but nothing solid. [19:00:58] @scott ... polychaetes have that feeding strategy in shallow estuaries [19:01:20] @Peter: yup. And some molluscs... [19:02:29] @Scott - aha! What molluscs make strings? [19:03:27] @Peter: Vermitiids for sure... [19:03:40] crab [19:03:53] BrittanyPetersen leaves the room [19:03:55] There is even a midwater Alepocephalid fish, Rouleina, that exudes thin sheets of mucus from the dorsal and ventral midline, resulting in a thin, stringy prey trapping device [19:03:58] oh, its squat lobster [19:04:02] LAT : 39.836709 , LON : -66.231047 , DEPTH : 1840.7888 m, TEMP : 3.57026 C, SAL : 34.95336 PSU, DO : 6.43446 mg/l [19:04:10] Duh! Of course ... thanks [19:07:19] Oh man!!! [19:07:26] Massive Telopathes [19:07:36] noellehelder leaves the room [19:07:43] Biggest I've ever seen, I think. [19:07:45] Godzillapathes? [19:07:57] @Peter: definitely better name! [19:08:38] These Telopathes get large, but this may be largest I've seen... Will have to compare to Nashville Seamount ones. [19:08:42] haroldcarlson leaves the room [19:09:03] LAT : 39.836723 , LON : -66.231377 , DEPTH : 1827.5994 m, TEMP : 3.58164 C, SAL : 34.94253 PSU, DO : 6.28649 mg/l [19:09:06] Love these "old growth" seamount communities [19:09:08] what's living inside??? [19:09:48] Not Nashville. Was Rehoboth Seamount where we sampled a large colony. [19:10:11] the ubiquitous Glyptelasma [19:10:17] Of interest: this species was described in 2013. ONe of the paratype specimens came from... Retriever Seamount! [19:10:35] need to get lasers on the base [19:10:42] Awesome fact! [19:12:14] FYI: Telopathes magna is full name. You can figure out where the "magna" comes from! [19:13:20] it's interesting that the holdfast has polyps [19:13:28] we know the oldest black coral, do we know the largest? [19:13:58] Hmmm... Maybe we are looking at it! Hah! [19:14:04] LAT : 39.836677 , LON : -66.231358 , DEPTH : 1827.5843 m, TEMP : 3.57009 C, SAL : 34.95257 PSU, DO : 7.48856 mg/l [19:14:09] Some Leiopathes get very large... [19:14:20] But I don't think they get as tall. [19:14:52] The Antipathella fiordensis from NZ fjords gets really big as well, But they are not truly deep sea. [19:15:18] Agree, I don't think Leiopathes gets so large. This one is maybe 2 m from base to furthest tip... [19:15:40] Chaunacid - There was a little mysid that it might have been shooting for [19:16:49] Check out that Acanella roots! [19:17:02] Awesome - dripping down the rock [19:17:23] BrittanyPetersen leaves the room [19:17:42] small Candidella [19:17:53] love the holdfast, for sure [19:19:04] LAT : 39.836558 , LON : -66.231507 , DEPTH : 1822.2665 m, TEMP : 3.56423 C, SAL : 34.9535 PSU, DO : 6.61947 mg/l [19:19:12] another giant! [19:20:06] @Les - you said it ... "old growth" [19:20:10] guessing J clade [19:20:21] The large colony, Les? [19:20:31] That would be nice touch for the day. [19:20:43] starfish on the right [19:22:15] yeah @Scott, but now not so sure [19:22:26] Definitely has nodes... [19:22:36] Couldn't see where the branch points are, though [19:23:02] the polyps looked like they had calyces, so plexaurid? [19:24:05] LAT : 39.836598 , LON : -66.231468 , DEPTH : 1821.7826 m, TEMP : 3.56579 C, SAL : 34.94008 PSU, DO : 6.70701 mg/l [19:24:05] haroldcarlson leaves the room [19:24:08] internodal brancher... bamboo [19:24:32] we saw dead skeleton of this earlier [19:25:09] grabbing a branch would be worthwhile, to say the least [19:25:49] Very nice dive and overall super expedition [19:25:54] Great dive!! Thanks everyone! [19:25:57] EX2104_DIVE19 ROV Ascending [19:26:02] once again, awesome. Thank you all! [19:26:04] I thhink we have seen a smaller version of this on Bear. [19:26:19] kevinkocot leaves the room [19:26:22] Awesome day. [19:26:24] Thank you for the great dive today!! [19:26:25] cindyvandover leaves the room [19:26:28] Amazing expedition! So Cool! Thanks everyone! [19:26:42] kensulak leaves the room [19:26:42] asakomatsumoto leaves the room [19:26:43] Perfect location to end the benthic component. So glad the monument got these images! [19:26:44] noellehelder leaves the room [19:26:52] upasanaganguly leaves the room [19:26:52] jeanmarcgagnon leaves the room [19:26:53] christophermah leaves the room [19:26:56] nice! great fun... Retriever needs a thorough survey [19:27:01] Thank you everyone for your help today! [19:27:05] I agree @Les! [19:27:06] It was definitely worth the extra day wait to get here. [19:27:10] thanks you so much for another perfect dive - the large bamboo was the best icing on the cake:) [19:27:31] jaymesawbrey leaves the room [19:27:39] @Les - yes ... great to address landscape questions -landslides, depth, current, etc [19:27:45] let's propose something where we just sample this one place [19:27:59] A focus on the monument would be good. [19:28:09] vondawarehamhayes leaves the room [19:28:14] kelseyviator leaves the room [19:28:15] So a couple of seamounts and canyons [19:28:29] haroldcarlson leaves the room [19:28:42] I would like to include sediment sampling as well... and grab those damn little mysids we see all the time! hahaha.... [19:29:05] LAT : 39.83659 , LON : -66.231422 , DEPTH : 1814.7534 m, TEMP : 3.67346 C, SAL : 34.93689 PSU, DO : 7.25778 mg/l [19:29:31] Ok, see you back here in a few days Rhian! Good luck with the finish of this cruise. [19:29:51] and maybe some traps for crustaceans ... and baited video for mobile predators [19:29:52] Definitely Les, lets get together! [19:30:05] right on Peter [19:30:20] Thank you to the NOAA crew and scientists for every dive on this expedition! It has been so amazing to be here to witness such incredible life each time we head down to explore!! [19:31:08] leswatling leaves the room [19:31:38] Rhian ... order up some bluefin tuna for the way up? [19:31:51] sarahbingo leaves the room [19:32:57] Will do Peter! [19:33:02] emilycrum leaves the room [19:33:46] rhianwaller leaves the room [19:34:06] LAT : 39.836679 , LON : -66.230807 , DEPTH : 1718.8175 m, TEMP : 3.8457 C, SAL : 34.89549 PSU, DO : 6.37779 mg/l [19:34:16] jocelyncooper leaves the room [19:34:29] scottfrance leaves the room [19:39:06] LAT : 39.836915 , LON : -66.23089 , DEPTH : 1568.7681 m, TEMP : 3.98388 C, SAL : 34.92299 PSU, DO : 6.71003 mg/l [19:39:34] kimberlygalvez leaves the room [19:42:33] meaganputts leaves the room [19:42:44] noellehelder leaves the room [19:44:06] LAT : 39.836974 , LON : -66.231038 , DEPTH : 1418.0282 m, TEMP : 4.08774 C, SAL : 34.93635 PSU, DO : 6.81922 mg/l [19:47:00] danielwoods leaves the room [19:49:07] LAT : 39.837081 , LON : -66.230987 , DEPTH : 1270.3332 m, TEMP : 4.37594 C, SAL : 34.8671 PSU, DO : 6.67238 mg/l [19:52:31] robertcarney leaves the room [19:54:08] LAT : 39.837027 , LON : -66.231164 , DEPTH : 1112.2847 m, TEMP : 4.59523 C, SAL : 34.96295 PSU, DO : 6.56966 mg/l [19:59:09] LAT : 39.837051 , LON : -66.231081 , DEPTH : 965.7176 m, TEMP : 4.84878 C, SAL : 34.90541 PSU, DO : 6.21113 mg/l [20:04:09] LAT : 39.837218 , LON : -66.231353 , DEPTH : 824.1825 m, TEMP : 5.43385 C, SAL : 34.91016 PSU, DO : 6.31368 mg/l [20:07:50] christopherknowlton leaves the room [20:09:10] LAT : 39.837162 , LON : -66.231131 , DEPTH : 678.7984 m, TEMP : 6.49079 C, SAL : 34.81924 PSU, DO : 5.90774 mg/l [20:14:11] LAT : 39.837394 , LON : -66.230264 , DEPTH : 541.9049 m, TEMP : 9.26781 C, SAL : 34.90857 PSU, DO : 4.68976 mg/l [20:19:11] LAT : 39.83782 , LON : -66.229245 , DEPTH : 391.0906 m, TEMP : 12.21456 C, SAL : 34.35632 PSU, DO : 3.40087 mg/l [20:22:52] peterauster leaves the room [20:24:11] LAT : 39.838224 , LON : -66.228117 , DEPTH : 248.3056 m, TEMP : 14.68141 C, SAL : 34.19035 PSU, DO : 3.72743 mg/l [20:29:11] LAT : 39.838611 , LON : -66.226937 , DEPTH : 101.9888 m, TEMP : 17.70847 C, SAL : 36.41362 PSU, DO : 4.04013 mg/l [20:34:12] LAT : 39.839253 , LON : -66.225323 , DEPTH : 54.4002 m, TEMP : 23.71141 C, SAL : 36.09606 PSU, DO : 4.7695 mg/l [20:39:12] LAT : 39.840115 , LON : -66.223439 , DEPTH : 26.8513 m, TEMP : 26.00731 C, SAL : 35.26798 PSU, DO : 4.60406 mg/l [20:40:58] EX2104_DIVE19 ROV on Surface [20:56:33] EX2104_DIVE19 ROV Recovery Complete