04/19/2014,13:21:21,Jamie Austin,Good morning everyone.  We are about to deploy our ROVs.  Our target today is Monterrey B, a shipwreck, the third of the Monterrey "fleet".  As most of you know, we examined Monterrey C and A the day before yesterday.  We will spend all day on this wreck, documenting as many aspects of the wreck (archaeological and associated biological) as wee have time for.  We welcome our shore-based participants.  The weather is excellent, our comms look good, and we should have an excellent dive.
04/19/2014,13:26:59,okeanosexplorer,  Update from the NOAA Ship Okeanos Explorer: the current time on board is 0830.  The ship is currently on station preparing the ROV for deployment at Monterrey Wreck B. The objective of today's dive is to investigate the wreck site and classify the biota living in association with it.  We are set for an on time deployment. The ROV will be deployed at 0830 and should arrive on bottom at about 0930. We will have a dive briefing via telecon at 0845. Please join us by dialing: 1-866-617-5860, passcode: 1233796 and tuning into the video online at: http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/okeanos/media/exstream/exstream_04.html  
04/19/2014,13:32:28,jackirion,Good morning, Okeanos.
04/19/2014,13:33:18,okeanosexplorer,'morning Jack
04/19/2014,13:33:50,jackirion,Are youon the phone line?
04/19/2014,13:34:44,okeanosexplorer,Not yet... do you need us to be now?
04/19/2014,13:35:02,okeanosexplorer,we usually get on at 5 till meeting. 
04/19/2014,13:35:39,jackirion,No problem, just checking.
04/19/2014,13:35:48,okeanosexplorer,they are calling in now... it takes a min
04/19/2014,13:38:14,Jamie Austin,Our vehicles are in the water.
04/19/2014,13:42:16,Jamie Austin,Passing 300 m.
04/19/2014,13:46:07,Jamie Austin,Passing 420 m.
04/19/2014,13:48:12,okeanosexplorer,Passing 395 m. Monterrey B. 1330 m bottom depth.  Once we get to bottom we are going to the stern. There are a few artifacts at the stern. There are hides in the cargo area.  There are large white blocks (tallow?).  Then head to the bow and look at demijohns (bottles).  We would like to get good footage of the stove for possible recovery.  There are some boxes we would like to see as well as some wood near the stove.  
04/19/2014,13:51:58,Jamie Austin,Passing 615 m.
04/19/2014,13:52:51,okeanosexplorer,  This is the only one that is not clad in copper. This one seems to be the most preserved. The Strb side seems more exposed along with a bulkhead. There may have been a mast but it looks off center? The dark staining doesnt outline the full lengh of the ship suggesting it was longer then the dark area of the sea floor. There is a bit of debris off the stern, likely from hides.  We also want to look outside at the sonar.    
04/19/2014,13:54:01,okeanosexplorer,We will be leaving at 3:45 CDT.  
04/19/2014,13:55:22,okeanosexplorer,  Bio: There are some tubes that need to be looked at near the stern.  The biology that is attached to the artifacts is important.    
04/19/2014,13:58:32,okeanosexplorer,  Tallow was used for making candles and lubricants.  We will be looking at the “tallow” on the strb side.  If there are a lot anemones and crabs we need close up.    
04/19/2014,14:00:18,michaelvecchione,>sinker
04/19/2014,14:01:35,Frank Cantelas,tallow was used to make soap as well - 
04/19/2014,14:02:18,Jamie Austin,Passing 960 m.
04/19/2014,14:02:18,jackirion,True.  One of the largest consumers w
04/19/2014,14:02:42,okeanosexplorer,  We will be going slow, not kicking up sediment.  We are not releasing position information on the air.  Please keep in mind that we had +40,000 visitors to the website on the last wreck dive.  Please be mindful that the location of this wreck is sensitive.    
04/19/2014,14:02:47,jackirion,was the Catholic church for candles and mines in Mexico
04/19/2014,14:03:13,Jamie Austin,Passing 1000 m.
04/19/2014,14:04:19,jackirion,Still amazed by the chronometer on B.  Chronometers were not issued to Royal Navy until 1825.
04/19/2014,14:06:12,okeanosexplorer,Starting dive 07. We will be looking at Monterrey B, the 3rd of the 3 wrecks that may have sunk together. We expect that some of the artifacts will be recovered on later cruises   
04/19/2014,14:09:17,Jamie Austin,Passing 1200 m.
04/19/2014,14:09:42,okeanosexplorer,  The chronometer on C suggests that no one escaped this wreck alive. They would have taken it with them if they had.  
04/19/2014,14:12:22,Jamie Austin,Passing 1300 m.
04/19/2014,14:14:14,michaelvecchione,>SQD
04/19/2014,14:16:10,Jamie Austin,We have the seafloor - 1365 m.
04/19/2014,14:16:17,jennifermckinnon,Hey Jim, was that chronometer you mentioned from the Vancouver Museum possibly the one that was on Porpoise with Flinders when it wrecked in the Coral Sea on Wreck Reef? They recovered all the instruments at the time of the sinking, I believe. I wonder if that was one of them! I was on that wreck in 2009.
04/19/2014,14:18:54,michaelvecchione,>FSH
04/19/2014,14:18:57,michaelvecchione,>SHI
04/19/2014,14:19:14,michaelvecchione,>HOL
04/19/2014,14:24:53,okeanosexplorer,4.364 degC, 34.951 PSU, 1385 m
04/19/2014,14:27:16,okeanosexplorer,lasers are 10 cm
04/19/2014,14:28:32,okeanosexplorer,moving towards the wreck at .1 kts
04/19/2014,14:29:18,jackirion,>fabric
04/19/2014,14:29:29,michaelvecchione,>ANT
04/19/2014,14:30:25,jennifermckinnon,Do we have any school groups or university groups on today? I know we have some folks out in Colorado tuning in - shout out to FSU anthropology alum Tom Hodgson. Also, some of the folks down in Pensacola from SEARCH are tuning in. 
04/19/2014,14:30:48,Frank Cantelas,we had a bit of trash on this site  
04/19/2014,14:31:49,Mike Brennan,hey everyone!!
04/19/2014,14:31:51,jennifermckinnon,ECU students are here today too. Kelley, I'll give you a count of ECU folks when the day is over.
04/19/2014,14:32:07,michaelvecchione,>ANT
04/19/2014,14:32:17,jackirion,>rolled  object
04/19/2014,14:32:48,michaelvecchione,SHI
04/19/2014,14:33:40,michaelvecchione,>HOL
04/19/2014,14:33:51,jackirion,>sea cucumber
04/19/2014,14:35:02,Jamie Austin,wreck in site
04/19/2014,14:35:12,michaelvecchione,>echiuran trace
04/19/2014,14:36:27,jackirion,>wreck in view
04/19/2014,14:36:53,jackirion,>iron object at atern
04/19/2014,14:37:02,jackirion,stern
04/19/2014,14:37:51,jennifermckinnon,nice hourglass
04/19/2014,14:37:58,jackirion,>sand clock
04/19/2014,14:38:40,Mike Brennan,sand clocks are my favorite artifacts from A :)
04/19/2014,14:38:53,jackirion,>wide-mouthed ceramic container
04/19/2014,14:39:05,michaelvecchione,>TUB serpulid worm tubes
04/19/2014,14:41:56,Mike Brennan,im surprised by the depression inside this wreck. A and C have the copper sheathing guarding it, but this one does not, speaks to low currents here that it hasn't filled in more
04/19/2014,14:43:53,jackirion,>cantaros
04/19/2014,14:44:09,jennifermckinnon,looks like some blue on white ceramics
04/19/2014,14:46:25,Mike Brennan,yes, Jim, we need sediment cores from both areas of this wreck, inside and out
04/19/2014,14:47:02,jackirion,>blue transferware bowl
04/19/2014,14:47:11,chrishorrell,Corks were comon for olive jars at this time. 
04/19/2014,14:47:45,jennifermckinnon,it does
04/19/2014,14:49:02,jennifermckinnon,a better view would actually be from starboard side looking back at it
04/19/2014,14:50:05,jennifermckinnon,the bowl has a small house in the motife
04/19/2014,14:50:19,chrishorrell,Looks like there may be an octant to the lower left of the screen.  pan right
04/19/2014,14:50:31,jackirion,>blue transfer bowls stacked
04/19/2014,14:51:05,jackirion,Is that bacteria
04/19/2014,14:52:42,jennifermckinnon,Possibly a drinking glass wiht decorated rim
04/19/2014,14:53:07,chrishorrell,when you get a chance, go wide and pan the left there may be an octant.  
04/19/2014,14:53:10,jackirion,Should be an octant here
04/19/2014,14:53:32,chrishorrell,lower left is the octant. 
04/19/2014,14:54:33,Mike Brennan,a lot of wood bits, maybe corroded metal, in the sediment there
04/19/2014,14:54:58,jackirion,>Unusual bottle?
04/19/2014,14:55:04,Mike Brennan,that looks glass
04/19/2014,14:55:09,jackirion,Hexagonal base
04/19/2014,14:55:49,amyborgens,we are going to go back to the exterior of the trasnfer print bowl correct? 
04/19/2014,14:56:23,amyborgens,it looked like it might be some kind of landscape or city scape based on the 2013 footage
04/19/2014,14:56:53,michaelvecchione,>SQA
04/19/2014,14:56:55,amyborgens,syringe like object with ceramic sherd
04/19/2014,14:57:14,chrishorrell,is that a syringe above that sherd?
04/19/2014,14:57:44,jennifermckinnon,glass plate
04/19/2014,14:58:05,jennifermckinnon,at least three sheets
04/19/2014,14:58:46,amyborgens,not the interior rim but the outside of the bowl
04/19/2014,14:59:29,chrishorrell,There may be a slate on the left midle of the screen near one of the boxes.
04/19/2014,14:59:41,amyborgens,y'all would really need to change the vatage point to get the outside of it - not sure how easy that is to do
04/19/2014,14:59:44,jackirion,Octant next to the red pitcher
04/19/2014,15:02:11,jennifermckinnon,sounding lead
04/19/2014,15:02:35,amyborgens,very cool!
04/19/2014,15:02:47,jackirion,>gimbeled compass and sounding weight
04/19/2014,15:04:33,amyborgens,compass
04/19/2014,15:05:01,amyborgens,possibly part of the box at base?
04/19/2014,15:06:34,jackirion,unhappy anemone
04/19/2014,15:07:13,jackirion,>octant
04/19/2014,15:07:16,amyborgens,awesome octant
04/19/2014,15:08:52,amyborgens,compass card from Mardi Gras was mica as well I believe
04/19/2014,15:08:58,amyborgens,Jack - do you remember?
04/19/2014,15:09:21,jackirion,Yes, mica
04/19/2014,15:11:24,amyborgens,another octant
04/19/2014,15:11:41,jackirion,>octant
04/19/2014,15:13:12,amyborgens,great images! 
04/19/2014,15:13:25,jackirion,>orange pitcher
04/19/2014,15:13:35,jackirion,Redware?
04/19/2014,15:14:19,jennifermckinnon,That orange pitcher has darker orange dots/splotches as decoration
04/19/2014,15:15:15,amyborgens,that could just be staining/discoloration which is common for underwater ceramics...
04/19/2014,15:15:35,jennifermckinnon,true
04/19/2014,15:16:21,amyborgens,did we focus on the spyglass in the bottle pile
04/19/2014,15:16:33,amyborgens,or at least it looks ike a spyglass from afar
04/19/2014,15:17:03,amyborgens,spyglass, next to millstone?
04/19/2014,15:17:49,jackirion,>ceiling planking
04/19/2014,15:18:38,jennifermckinnon,treenail?
04/19/2014,15:18:58,jackirion,>treenail
04/19/2014,15:20:14,jennifermckinnon,ans some sort of round disk-like object
04/19/2014,15:21:16,jennifermckinnon,there are quite a few round disk-like objects scattered about.
04/19/2014,15:22:01,jennifermckinnon,two horns
04/19/2014,15:22:06,jackirion,>horns
04/19/2014,15:22:11,jennifermckinnon,a set?
04/19/2014,15:23:36,jennifermckinnon,no that's wood
04/19/2014,15:23:47,amyborgens,I thought it was stone but it does look wood like
04/19/2014,15:23:51,amyborgens,wood
04/19/2014,15:24:10,jackirion,>block or shieve
04/19/2014,15:25:22,jennifermckinnon,ceramic fragment to right
04/19/2014,15:28:07,amyborgens,threaded rim of a bottle
04/19/2014,15:28:59,amyborgens,just guessing - maybe not as I can't see inside
04/19/2014,15:29:39,jackirion,>bulkhead
04/19/2014,15:32:58,jackirion,>from astern
04/19/2014,15:33:35,jennifermckinnon,the grain of the wood is running upward
04/19/2014,15:33:41,jennifermckinnon,stanchion?
04/19/2014,15:40:09,jackirion,>length of the wreck from the stern
04/19/2014,15:41:37,jackirion,De
04/19/2014,15:41:46,jackirion,Feed is down
04/19/2014,15:43:29,jackirion,>stern structure
04/19/2014,15:52:04,amyborgens,I was wanting better images of what was inside the container...
04/19/2014,15:53:16,jennifermckinnon,wow, more buildings
04/19/2014,15:54:49,Frank Cantelas,who is our pilot today
04/19/2014,15:55:29,okeanosexplorer,Frank, they all take turnes on rotation
04/19/2014,15:56:41,chrishorrell,Hey Amy, this is one we should target for the next project.  Very intersting motif
04/19/2014,15:58:12,chrishorrell,I am wondering if we are seeing one of the motifs that you see in the earlier transfer prints out of the UK...London?  
04/19/2014,16:00:34,jackirion,Quite possibly,  That half-timbering construction could be English.
04/19/2014,16:03:17,jackirion,>octant
04/19/2014,16:06:48,jennifermckinnon,is that a mast?
04/19/2014,16:07:01,jennifermckinnon,upright and forward of the bulkhead?
04/19/2014,16:09:31,Fritz,That's what we were hypothesizing in 2013.
04/19/2014,16:09:43,jennifermckinnon,Thanks Fritz.
04/19/2014,16:10:09,Fritz,It's def on my list of items to zoom on!
04/19/2014,16:10:41,jennifermckinnon,is that fabric in front?
04/19/2014,16:14:04,jennifermckinnon,limestone?
04/19/2014,16:15:20,jennifermckinnon,There is a lot of dark inclusions in the white
04/19/2014,16:21:18,jennifermckinnon,measure it?
04/19/2014,16:22:40,jennifermckinnon,~7cm = 2.75in 
04/19/2014,16:22:48,Fritz,We had a reporter here interviewing us, sorry for the silence.
04/19/2014,16:23:18,Fritz,Have we taken a look at the possible mast?
04/19/2014,16:23:23,jennifermckinnon,Not yet
04/19/2014,16:23:28,jackirion,Not yet
04/19/2014,16:24:12,jennifermckinnon,clasp on box
04/19/2014,16:24:21,jennifermckinnon,or hinge?
04/19/2014,16:27:44,jennifermckinnon,were samples taken of the hides last time?
04/19/2014,16:28:34,jennifermckinnon,fiber
04/19/2014,16:28:45,jackirion,No samples were collected from these
04/19/2014,16:28:58,jennifermckinnon,thanks Jack
04/19/2014,16:28:59,amyborgens,We have examples of packing dunnage from other shallow water shipwrecks off of Texas
04/19/2014,16:29:26,amyborgens,and it does look similat to what we have here - though this is merely conjectural
04/19/2014,16:31:35,jackirion,>bale of hides
04/19/2014,16:35:03,jennifermckinnon,Have deer skins been considered? I know out of the panhandle region during the Spanish mission period (which is admittedly much earlier) deer skins were a huge trade.
04/19/2014,16:35:11,chrishorrell,Mast Tabernacle?  Pump log might be too far back.
04/19/2014,16:35:50,Frank Cantelas,looks hollow in the mosaic
04/19/2014,16:36:03,amyborgens,From archival documents in the GOM that refer to cargo I have seen mention of hides for cattle and also bear (I think) - not sure how common bear would be though
04/19/2014,16:36:20,jennifermckinnon,I'd like to know if it is dead center?
04/19/2014,16:38:28,jackirion,>crate
04/19/2014,16:38:31,Frank Cantelas,looks slightly stb of center 
04/19/2014,16:39:19,jennifermckinnon,Could it be a holld stanchion. That's from an ECU student
04/19/2014,16:40:14,amyborgens,that compartmentalized box reminds me of the type that would be used for case bottles
04/19/2014,16:40:29,amyborgens,or similar such items...
04/19/2014,16:41:58,jennifermckinnon,Interesrting about the bear Amy. Also buffalo might be an option.
04/19/2014,16:42:15,jennifermckinnon,another upright timber
04/19/2014,16:42:49,danwarren,Possible mast remnant
04/19/2014,16:44:47,jackirion,>mast?
04/19/2014,16:45:02,kelleyelliott,Yes
04/19/2014,16:45:11,kelleyelliott,We have an O2 sensor on both vehicles
04/19/2014,16:45:38,jackirion,>stove
04/19/2014,16:46:25,jennifermckinnon,more possible packing material/dunnage at base of stove?
04/19/2014,16:46:38,danwarren,Looks like waht appears to be a pipe and flange to left of stove
04/19/2014,16:47:39,amyborgens,I have a fun reference for a cargo of livestock - cargo of 120 beef cattle, six mules, and an unstated  number of "frightened" deer from Matagorda Bay to New Orleans in 1848
04/19/2014,16:47:49,amyborgens,not hides but entertaining nonetheless
04/19/2014,16:48:04,jennifermckinnon,Amy, would not have wanted to be on that trip!
04/19/2014,16:50:27,amyborgens,I have seen dunnage survive on wreck site when it was concreted to cargo objects or somewhat protected inside cargo boxes
04/19/2014,16:51:00,jackirion,>scupper
04/19/2014,16:52:19,chrishorrell,Depending on the vessel but most likely the stove would have been inside the vessel possibly near a mast under lead with a lead sheet nailed to the mast to protect it from sparks and fire.  Most stoves of this period were portable and could have been taken apart below decks, brought up and cleaned.  I would disagreee that this was on the deck as they might have tossed it off during a storm.
04/19/2014,16:52:47,danwarren,metate?
04/19/2014,16:52:55,chrishorrell,Melanie says that this looks like the same artifact that Amy ID on Monterrey wreck A
04/19/2014,16:54:45,danwarren,What is the square hole at bottom of image?
04/19/2014,16:56:28,amyborgens,Back to the hide cargo - the reference for the bear skins was from 1810 and mentions that 170 were packed in two hogsheads
04/19/2014,16:57:53,jennifermckinnon,is there a measurement for the length/width of the hide? That might indicate size of animal without a sample.
04/19/2014,16:58:27,jennifermckinnon,I have a cow skin rug on my floor and when rolled, it is a heck of a lot bigger than these rolls.
04/19/2014,16:59:29,danwarren,Jennifer, not necessarily, hides are stretched to dry during tanning process.  Also, we have no indication these have not been cut
04/19/2014,16:59:46,jennifermckinnon,True
04/19/2014,17:02:04,danwarren,sqa
04/19/2014,17:02:15,danwarren,>SQA
04/19/2014,17:05:37,amyborgens,incidentally the bear skins, ostrich feathers and other cargo were from a privateer vessel condemned at New Orleans captained by none other than Renato Beluche (aso 309 vests and 22 hats)
04/19/2014,17:07:51,jackirion,Renato was quite the dandy.
04/19/2014,17:08:30,amyborgens,one of the GOM "celebrity" privateers
04/19/2014,17:08:54,amyborgens,only joking but he is very well known for the time
04/19/2014,17:11:10,amyborgens,There is a book about him by Jane Lucas de Grummond that I would highly recommend
04/19/2014,17:12:00,chrishorrell,  I have been thinking about the hide cargo for some time and talking to some of my terrestrial colleagues who have been looking at cargos for the river transportation during the late 18th and early 19th century.  At any rate, I think we might want to consider buffalo hides as a possiblity for this cargo.   There was a substantial trade in the Spanish borderlands for this type of commodity during this period and from looking at the mosaic, these hides look quite large.  Larger than what I would expect to see from colonial cattle hides that have been tanned and streched.  Also the way they are rolled up it and, the way they are stowed, and thier size migh suggest that they are incredibly heavy and may have been difficult to carry and handle.  
04/19/2014,17:12:33,jennifermckinnon,Thanks for the recommendation Amy.
04/19/2014,17:13:30,amyborgens,email me and I can provide a great reading list for this time period and region - Chris Horell and I competitively collect references for this period - a friendly competition
04/19/2014,17:13:37,jackirion,We'll need to do DNA testing.  
04/19/2014,17:14:12,amyborgens,awesome historical context Chris!
04/19/2014,17:15:56,Fritz,What about the horns then? 
04/19/2014,17:16:05,Fritz,Any sense of them being cow vs buffalo?
04/19/2014,17:16:39,jennifermckinnon,Maybe size of the horns would indicate difference?
04/19/2014,17:17:13,jackirion,Wouldn't buffalo hides leave the hair?  
04/19/2014,17:21:18,michaelvecchione,>FSH 1st one on this wreck?
04/19/2014,17:21:45,tommyheathman,There was a cusk eel a few minutes ago
04/19/2014,17:21:54,michaelvecchione,>FELO cutthroat.
04/19/2014,17:21:54,tommyheathman,This one looks like ahalosaur
04/19/2014,17:22:39,amyborgens,no worries, marine life is uber cool
04/19/2014,17:22:43,jackirion,Apparently there was a high demand for buffalo hides in Europe for shoe soles.
04/19/2014,17:22:49,tommyheathman,or cutthroat
04/19/2014,17:23:58,jackirion,>folding stock anchor
04/19/2014,17:25:23,amyborgens,the one I am interested in is above the anchor to the right of the demijohn
04/19/2014,17:25:37,amyborgens,nevermind there is a whole one
04/19/2014,17:25:59,amyborgens,that example is fine, we don't need to focus on the other
04/19/2014,17:26:58,chrishorrell,Jack, I asked that of Steave Dasovich and he suggested that what we may be seeing is the underside of the hides not the outside where the hair would be.  He suggested  that they might have been rolled this way to protect the hair and to maintain flexibility. .  It is only a suggestion that I think we can't ignore in our ouverall assessment of this site.  BTW, most cattle during the period were transported on the hoof by vaquesros to differnet towns, cities, and ports.  To use one of my most favoirte archaeologist's phrases "in my theseis" I foud that a lot of Spanish rancheros traded within the borderlands rather than to the outside world.  
04/19/2014,17:27:09,amyborgens,these are such great images
04/19/2014,17:27:39,chrishorrell,Not sure about the horn.  Do we have a bunch; cant remember.
04/19/2014,17:27:59,chrishorrell,Nice late style OJ!
04/19/2014,17:28:08,jackirion,Not a lot of horn, but a few.
04/19/2014,17:30:40,jennifermckinnon,Late style OJ form B
04/19/2014,17:31:00,jennifermckinnon,Ref Goggin
04/19/2014,17:31:49,chrishorrell,I would really like to see us recover an OJ next year if not a couple of them.
04/19/2014,17:32:08,Frank Cantelas,http://www.french-treasures.net/Instrument_145/Marble-Apothecary-Herbalist-Marble-Mortar-Pestle-18th-Century_4085.html
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04/19/2014,
04/19/2014,17:32:15,jackirion,Agreed.  On the list.
04/19/2014,17:32:15,okeanosexplorer,thanks!!!
04/19/2014,17:33:42,amyborgens,Just as an added comment that wreck B has more visible ceramic and glass containers at the bow than wrecks A and C.
04/19/2014,17:34:36,jackirion,Cargo space as opposed to crew space?
04/19/2014,17:34:49,amyborgens,In A and C these materials are congragated largley at the stern in an area that might represent the general location of a captain's cabin (albeit compressed)
04/19/2014,17:35:25,amyborgens,that's what I was wondering Jack  - that these may be more cargo than crew use
04/19/2014,17:35:54,amyborgens,A also has that large collection of cantaros at the stove...
04/19/2014,17:36:47,jackirion,>olive jar
04/19/2014,17:38:13,jennifermckinnon,looks like there may be a ceramic dish inside the large anchor ring too?
04/19/2014,17:42:30,jackirion,>view of bow looking toward stern
04/19/2014,17:42:52,jennifermckinnon,should we peak in and around the bottles to look for smaller artifacts?
04/19/2014,17:43:47,jennifermckinnon,peek
04/19/2014,17:45:22,jennifermckinnon,is the bacteria related to the contents?
04/19/2014,17:46:57,jackirion,Unlikely
04/19/2014,17:48:13,chrishorrell, there was more of that same white bacteria on a broken fragment of glass
04/19/2014,17:50:04,amyborgens,Did we get decent captures of the mortar artifact - I missed this as we were being interviewed. That same object appears on both Monterrey A and B
04/19/2014,17:50:16,jackirion,>wide-mouthed storage jar
04/19/2014,17:51:13,amyborgens,Before Doug's website images we did not have another exact parallel for this. Thanks greatly Doug!!!
04/19/2014,17:52:24,michaelvecchione,>FELO not a cutthroat, maybe a conger
04/19/2014,17:52:38,jackirion,We can get a better shot of the mortar from this side.
04/19/2014,17:53:21,jackirion,We have about another 2 hrs on bottom
04/19/2014,17:53:54,amyborgens,cool. 
04/19/2014,17:56:47,jackirion,>shoe sole
04/19/2014,17:58:04,jennifermckinnon,fabric
04/19/2014,17:59:55,jennifermckinnon,more lead?
04/19/2014,18:00:18,jackirion,>lead piece
04/19/2014,18:02:15,michaelvecchione,>CTE cydippid
04/19/2014,18:02:37,tommyheathman,>OPHx2
04/19/2014,18:04:46,amyborgens,We don't think this was affixed to the stem like with A, just buried. I missed the earlier part of the conversation
04/19/2014,18:10:50,jackirion,The trough-like shape is a bit perplexing.
04/19/2014,18:17:48,jennifermckinnon,Amy if you want to look elsewhere let's do it. I only suggested having a peek when there was a lull in the movement.
04/19/2014,18:19:06,michaelvecchione,I think the big big fish is a cusk eel (  Luciobrotula corethromycter  )
04/19/2014,18:19:29,amyborgens,that is totally cool
04/19/2014,18:20:19,jennifermckinnon,product placement!
04/19/2014,18:21:04,amyborgens,I actually use that image in some of the talks we have presented on this project as folks are often not aware of polution at these depths
04/19/2014,18:24:35,michaelvecchione,>CORO stoloniferous octocoral
04/19/2014,18:24:37,amyborgens,seems like there is wood grain but at this point I can't tell if this is concreted wood or concretion with a wood impression
04/19/2014,18:24:56,amyborgens,or a concreted iron/wood conglomerate
04/19/2014,18:24:59,jennifermckinnon,yeah, I was wondering. wood and iron or iron with wood impression?
04/19/2014,18:25:35,jennifermckinnon,with all the biological growth, you'd think iron primarily
04/19/2014,18:29:35,jennifermckinnon,yes, the holes are to the left
04/19/2014,18:29:48,jackirion,>bale of hides
04/19/2014,18:30:49,jennifermckinnon,if you have holes on one side, check for the other side to see about width
04/19/2014,18:31:11,jennifermckinnon,so now we can get a width measurement with lasers
04/19/2014,18:31:40,jackirion,>holes in hides where they were staked out to dry.
04/19/2014,18:32:50,jackirion,All feeds frozen
04/19/2014,18:32:55,jennifermckinnon,when we pull back out can we get the lasers on the hide so that we can get a distance/width between the ends?
04/19/2014,18:34:49,michaelvecchione,>JFH
04/19/2014,18:36:27,michaelvecchione,>tubeworms
04/19/2014,18:42:24,okeanosexplorer,mike are you talking about the matting colony or were there other tube worms yuo were looking at?
04/19/2014,18:43:09,michaelvecchione,The ,matted colony. My guess is that it is a dense recruitment of chemosynthetic worms .
04/19/2014,18:43:18,okeanosexplorer,AWESOME! thanks
04/19/2014,18:44:13,michaelvecchione,just a guess. Another case of "I wish we could collect."
04/19/2014,18:44:47,jackirion,We feel your pain
04/19/2014,18:45:30,jackirion,>scupper port side
04/19/2014,18:46:37,tommyheathman,Here's an image from WHOI of some "furry microbial growth" that looks similar to what we're seeing: http://www.whoi.edu/cms/images/oceanus/graphics-JasonCaymanStills_247875.jpg
04/19/2014,18:47:58,okeanosexplorer,*Tommy- I've seen that before, do they retract like we saw today?
04/19/2014,18:48:07,jackirion,>scupper port side with stove in background
04/19/2014,18:48:17,tommyheathman,No idea. I haven't found any videos
04/19/2014,18:49:10,okeanosexplorer,pretty cool looking though! let me know if you do.  We cant watch it on the ship though, it will take 4 hours to download LOL
04/19/2014,18:49:52,amandademopoulos,>POL serpulid
04/19/2014,18:51:42,jennifermckinnon,yeah, it looks like possible fastener with no concretion
04/19/2014,18:51:59,chrishorrell,Can we see the back of the stove when you have a moment?  Thanks,
04/19/2014,18:52:33,jackirion,That's next
04/19/2014,18:52:48,Mike Brennan,is that a tripod bowl upside down, 3 legs?
04/19/2014,18:53:07,chrishorrell,No worries!   Thanks!!!
04/19/2014,18:54:59,jackirion,>scupper possible cauldron
04/19/2014,18:55:14,amandademopoulos,>ANT monofilament
04/19/2014,18:55:26,amandademopoulos,>POL serpulid
04/19/2014,18:56:04,amandademopoulos,>SQA
04/19/2014,18:56:14,jennifermckinnon,cast iron
04/19/2014,18:56:32,amandademopoulos,>SQA munida
04/19/2014,18:56:51,jennifermckinnon,no, cast iron was around
04/19/2014,18:58:11,jackirion,>stove
04/19/2014,18:59:02,chrishorrell,This is the backside
04/19/2014,18:59:45,chrishorrell,It would have had a roasting spit and possibly a kettle(s)
04/19/2014,19:00:37,chrishorrell,This is the type of stove that could be taken apart, pulled up on deck, cleaned, and reassembled below decks.
04/19/2014,19:01:03,chrishorrell,I wish we could see if there werer any bolts with nuts.  Yeah, looks good to me.
04/19/2014,19:02:49,jennifermckinnon,I think whoever said that that small object to the left of the cauldron was an upside down footed container is right.
04/19/2014,19:03:02,jackirion,>mortar
04/19/2014,19:03:24,jennifermckinnon,It would fit the context with the other food prep items and stove
04/19/2014,19:03:58,Mike Brennan,not sure what type of stone the mortar is made of… Yucatan ones were usually granite or limestone, and limestone wouldn't look good from underwater, but doesnt look like granite at all
04/19/2014,19:04:40,amandademopoulos,>POL mud tubes possible sabellidae
04/19/2014,19:05:05,jackirion,The example we've seen is marble.
04/19/2014,19:06:29,amandademopoulos,>SQA many
04/19/2014,19:07:10,okeanosexplorer,http://www.french-treasures.net/Instrument_145/Marble-Apothecary-Herbalist-Marble-Mortar-Pestle-18th-Century_4085.html
04/19/2014,19:07:13,jennifermckinnon,soapstone?
04/19/2014,19:09:31,amandademopoulos,>BIV ?
04/19/2014,19:11:23,Fritz,Here's another example courtesy of Sam Meacham doing some off site sleuthing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/191111417402?lpid=82 
04/19/2014,19:11:42,amandademopoulos,>SQA multiple
04/19/2014,19:12:06,jennifermckinnon,Nice Ftirz!
04/19/2014,19:12:21,Mike Brennan,wow yea
04/19/2014,19:16:26,jennifermckinnon,See how the feet are triangular in shape?
04/19/2014,19:16:49,jennifermckinnon,The square bit off the end could be handle
04/19/2014,19:16:51,amyborgens,we will be getting other views of the stove as we change our vantage point?
04/19/2014,19:17:28,jennifermckinnon,Typical hispanic style
04/19/2014,19:18:25,Fritz,17B407EB-1360-4D5F-9AFD-96DDA709B3C8-930-0000121909F2E932
04/19/2014,19:18:39,amyborgens,Jen, do you have good reference materil for that artifact?
04/19/2014,19:18:40,Fritz,Sorry, tried to post a pic.
04/19/2014,19:18:51,jennifermckinnon,Let me see if I can find it.
04/19/2014,19:19:01,Fritz,http://redhookantiquecenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/19th-century-marble-mortar-pestle.html
04/19/2014,19:19:13,Mike Brennan,that tripod type design was common for wares in the Yucatan area, it would seem to me that it was a cast iron pan placed on the stove
04/19/2014,19:19:42,jackirion,>stove
04/19/2014,19:20:15,chrishorrell,Does the stove appear to be canted or leaning backwards?  this is the first time I have seen it from this angle.
04/19/2014,19:20:45,chrishorrell,It is all cast plate iron.  fairly thin walled.
04/19/2014,19:20:58,amyborgens,Ah, Chris - I was waiting for our resident stove expert
04/19/2014,19:22:03,jackirion,Yes, its canted a bit towards us,
04/19/2014,19:22:16,chrishorrell,I have been posting over and over.  are my posts not making it on the event log?
04/19/2014,19:22:27,Mike Brennan,i can see em, Chris
04/19/2014,19:22:34,chrishorrell,Thanks bro!
04/19/2014,19:22:37,amyborgens,yep
04/19/2014,19:22:57,chrishorrell,This stove is larger than the one on the MG site.
04/19/2014,19:23:10,chrishorrell,Seems taller and a bit wider
04/19/2014,19:23:40,jackirion,Yes, I believe it is larger.
04/19/2014,19:27:20,amyborgens,If you scroll down the artifact gallery for the Mardi Gras Shipwreck, there are images of the galley stove from a contemporaeous wreck site. It is not photographed as one unit but component parts: http://nautarch.tamu.edu/mardigras/artifact/metal.html. It is not exactly like those from the Monterrey wrecks but it is somewhat similar
04/19/2014,19:28:16,amandademopoulos,>FSH
04/19/2014,19:28:17,amyborgens,The stove is recreated from casts from the artifact - it was very fragile
04/19/2014,19:29:02,amandademopoulos,>SQG
04/19/2014,19:29:06,amandademopoulos,whoops
04/19/2014,19:29:10,amandademopoulos,>SQA
04/19/2014,19:31:53,chrishorrell,Wood may be impreganted with iron?  
04/19/2014,19:31:54,jackirion,4.37D centigrade
04/19/2014,19:32:39,amandademopoulos,>POL parchment tube? 
04/19/2014,19:33:15,jackirion,5.7 mg/l
04/19/2014,19:33:18,jennifermckinnon,It has to be related to the contents of the box because the only other wood preserved is buried.
04/19/2014,19:33:54,jennifermckinnon,It's either the type of wood or the contents that has impregnated the wood that is keeping it preserved.
04/19/2014,19:34:13,amandademopoulos,>CRA
04/19/2014,19:34:38,amyborgens,If you are talking about the box wood it is probably iron impregnanted
04/19/2014,19:35:18,jennifermckinnon,yep, that is what he was asking about. His question was about why it was preserved.
04/19/2014,19:35:30,amyborgens,I have observed this frequently from my background in conservation
04/19/2014,19:35:35,chrishorrell,that was what i was suggesting...
04/19/2014,19:35:36,jennifermckinnon,me too
04/19/2014,19:36:14,amandademopoulos,circular object on lower right?
04/19/2014,19:36:30,amyborgens,iron impregnated wood can be very, very robust. I have observed this before on firearms from sites of this period
04/19/2014,19:37:04,amyborgens,I was just taking onto your very correct observation Chris - 
04/19/2014,19:37:23,chrishorrell,no worries!
04/19/2014,19:37:30,jackirion,Like the arms chest from MGW
04/19/2014,19:37:39,amandademopoulos,>SQA
04/19/2014,19:37:49,amyborgens,For some reason I thought the question was directed at overall wood preservation until I notice we were focusing on the box
04/19/2014,19:37:50,Fritz,Ha! Sorry gang, just saw all of your comments.
04/19/2014,19:38:05,Fritz,Sheepishly
04/19/2014,19:38:16,chrishorrell,That looks like wood possible block?
04/19/2014,19:38:22,jennifermckinnon,I don't think that is wire rope
04/19/2014,19:38:23,chrishorrell,with two sheaves
04/19/2014,19:38:27,jennifermckinnon,It looks like a block
04/19/2014,19:38:51,chrishorrell,A double block
04/19/2014,19:39:18,chrishorrell,There is no wire rope,  That is wood you are looking at
04/19/2014,19:40:20,chrishorrell,what you see as wire is the grain of the block.  in between is the lignum vitae sheaves are set inside fo the bock.
04/19/2014,19:40:22,chrishorrell,block
04/19/2014,19:40:45,amandademopoulos,can someone explain what the block might have been used for, audibly :)
04/19/2014,19:41:08,amyborgens,that lloks like wood
04/19/2014,19:41:23,amyborgens,plan view of a narrow timber - wood
04/19/2014,19:41:25,jennifermckinnon,That's not a pipe. It is wood.
04/19/2014,19:42:59,Mike Brennan,lead would be white
04/19/2014,19:43:01,Fritz,From Randy Lang to Fred Gorell: http://blackbuggyantiques.com/small-colonial-period-cast-iron-pot.html
04/19/2014,19:43:15,Fritz,Three-legged cast iron pot
04/19/2014,19:43:20,Mike Brennan,YES!!
04/19/2014,19:43:38,Fritz,Similar to the dutch ovens I have at home
04/19/2014,19:43:51,jennifermckinnon,Nice Fritz!
04/19/2014,19:45:34,Fritz,I'm just the messenger
04/19/2014,19:46:19,amandademopoulos,looks  like white bacterial mat, filamentous bacteria
04/19/2014,19:46:31,jennifermckinnon,I was thinking it was hispanic ceramic. But it makes more sense if it is cast iron especially with the cast iron cauldron next to it.
04/19/2014,19:48:14,Mike Brennan,it is def cast iron cuz of the way its corroded, but is a common hispanic ceramic form
04/19/2014,19:48:26,chrishorrell,Not as large but somewhat similar.
04/19/2014,19:48:34,chrishorrell,Whoops   see  http://www.crockerfarm.com/maryland-auction/2013-05-04/lot-109/Early-Wooden-Case-with-Twelve-Case-Gin-Bottles-late-18th-century/
04/19/2014,19:49:08,amandademopoulos,cool chris
04/19/2014,19:50:33,amandademopoulos,>HYD hydroids
04/19/2014,19:50:52,Fritz,Anyone know what that round object bottom left of the screen is?
04/19/2014,19:51:26,amyborgens,The maximum dimension of the shoulder of the rectangular case bottles from Monterrey A is ~11 cm
04/19/2014,19:51:41,jackirion,>sheave
04/19/2014,19:52:14,Fritz,Thanks!
04/19/2014,19:52:43,jennifermckinnon,pump related?
04/19/2014,19:53:41,amyborgens,What was mentioned as the approximate dimentsion of the box compartments?
04/19/2014,19:54:32,jackirion,10cm
04/19/2014,19:54:38,Fritz,Another example of the box: http://www.peachridgeglass.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/CaseGinBox.jpg
04/19/2014,19:55:55,jackirion,>case bottles
04/19/2014,19:57:43,chrishorrell,Thanks Everyone!
04/19/2014,19:59:13,amyborgens,very cool
04/19/2014,19:59:36,chrishorrell,that is the first compass card I have seen with the pivot needle!
04/19/2014,19:59:40,Mike Brennan,chris/amy have you gotten any leads on the blue china? im looking online and cant find anything like it
04/19/2014,19:59:58,chrishorrell,Looks like another mica card as well.
04/19/2014,20:00:33,jackirion,>pivot needle for compass card
04/19/2014,20:00:34,chrishorrell,@ Mike and Amy, I am going to check my Flow Blue examples at the office.
04/19/2014,20:00:39,amandademopoulos,>PYC pycnogonid at 6oclock
04/19/2014,20:01:12,amandademopoulos,>PYC sea spider
04/19/2014,20:02:18,chrishorrell,@ mike, the flow blue examples I have seen may be more consistant with what we are seeing...keeping in mind we are looking at it from a television screen:-D
04/19/2014,20:03:38,amyborgens,Mike/Chris - I will look at my reference books when I get back to work regarding the transfer print
04/19/2014,20:04:25,amyborgens,glass
04/19/2014,20:04:46,chrishorrell,@ Mike, I also have several transfer print books which might prove to be a better resource for that particluar artifact.
04/19/2014,20:04:59,jennifermckinnon,thats a worm tube
04/19/2014,20:05:16,chrishorrell,Sweet Amy!  This is by far my favorite site of the three monterrey sites...
04/19/2014,20:05:20,amyborgens,bore tube?
04/19/2014,20:05:58,amyborgens,I still like the longarms on A  ;P, though we lost feed for part of that on this revisit
04/19/2014,20:06:16,amyborgens,all these sites are amazing but for different reasons
04/19/2014,20:07:08,Mike Brennan,sounds good Chris/Amy. i bought a few used on Amazon this morning cuz these fascinate me
04/19/2014,20:07:47,jennifermckinnon,my feed is frozen
04/19/2014,20:07:47,amandademopoulos,I1 dropped
04/19/2014,20:08:32,jackirion,I2 as well
04/19/2014,20:09:23,amandademopoulos,I1 back
04/19/2014,20:10:15,kelleyelliott,You should all be back in a moment
04/19/2014,20:10:34,amandademopoulos,we are thanks kelley
04/19/2014,20:12:55,okeanosexplorer,similar glass objects - This is coming from the biologist so ... grain of salt.... https://www.etsy.com/listing/185669725/antique-vintage-depression-anchor?ref=market
04/19/2014,20:13:29,amyborgens,I am intrigued by the design on the transfer print because it features a building - since some designs were based on real strutures/monuments we may be able to determine exactly what it portrays. It may not be simply a city scent but an actual building. apparently British potters liked to include well-known American buildings on their transfer print wares to encourage sales in the U.S. It could be something else. It kind of reminds me of Dutch and Venetian examples I have seen
04/19/2014,20:15:48,amyborgens,Though I am not an expert on this - my grandparents used to collect some of this....
04/19/2014,20:16:04,Mike Brennan,cool cool, im still looking
04/19/2014,20:16:19,jennifermckinnon,Amy, if you can't find it in books, contact the Transferware Collectors Club. They helped me identify a piece off of a shipwreck in Florida. 
04/19/2014,20:16:26,chrishorrell,Dont get me wrong. I love A and C as well...I just have a thing for commodities in the late 18th and early 19th century!  To me this is the what the maritime history and culture is founded upon in the GOM at that time.  I like looking at ships as symbols of labor and comodity exchange but that is my hidden neo-marxist side coming to the surface!
04/19/2014,20:16:37,okeanosexplorer,amy, my aunt collected antique salt serving bowls and spoons from France and they have the same diamond pattern.  
04/19/2014,20:16:39,jennifermckinnon,http://www.transcollectorsclub.org/
04/19/2014,20:18:15,amyborgens,I was just telling some of our observing public (we are public here) that a familarity with antiques can be an invaluable asset for identifying artifacts. I have a background in conservation of marine artifacts but I was also raised around antiques - my mom and grandparents are collectors
04/19/2014,20:18:56,Mike Brennan,some of the "ironstone" stuff looks similar
04/19/2014,20:18:59,amyborgens,All the input has been great today, and these web posts!
04/19/2014,20:20:51,amyborgens,I have also been told that replacements.com is a great way to ID ceramics, as their specialists are very knowledgeable. I havent tried them though
04/19/2014,20:22:16,jennifermckinnon,Yeah, it seems like cheating, but it is oftent the quickest way to find out. Haha! My mom was into antiques too - she owned a antique shop. I see a trend here...
04/19/2014,20:23:35,chrishorrell,I am out everyone!  Thanks...this was fun!
04/19/2014,20:24:08,michaelvecchione,what is up in the water?
04/19/2014,20:26:55,Mike Brennan,did we have these print china on Monterrey A at all?
04/19/2014,20:26:56,amandademopoulos,are those forked echiuran proboscis on right? 
04/19/2014,20:27:04,amandademopoulos,>OPH
04/19/2014,20:27:10,jackirion,No we don't
04/19/2014,20:27:17,Mike Brennan,hmm interesting
04/19/2014,20:30:14,amyborgens,To my knowledge we only have visible transfer print on this wreck. Though my recall is not always 100%
04/19/2014,20:30:31,Mike Brennan,there was a sherd/fragment of another, dunno if we got a closeup of it
04/19/2014,20:31:01,amyborgens,we have the painted tea bowls on A, shell-edge on A and C
04/19/2014,20:31:14,Mike Brennan,right right
04/19/2014,20:31:29,amyborgens,We did get a close up of the sherd but it is very small
04/19/2014,20:31:40,michaelvecchione,I think there is so much organic material here that it is partially chemosynthetic.
04/19/2014,20:31:41,Mike Brennan,ah ok
04/19/2014,20:32:29,amyborgens,Imagine how much shorter the archeology entries would be it we had artifact abbreviations...
04/19/2014,20:32:58,Mike Brennan,lol
04/19/2014,20:33:03,Mike Brennan,and confusion
04/19/2014,20:33:07,jackirion,We should work on that
04/19/2014,20:33:28,Mike Brennan,NO i hate these abbreviations
04/19/2014,20:33:33,jennifermckinnon,Thanks everyone! Another fun day!
04/19/2014,20:34:21,amandademopoulos,Nice job EX!
04/19/2014,20:34:23,amyborgens,great day - this was lots of fun!
04/19/2014,20:35:12,amandademopoulos,was the bamboo coral alive? I was late joining 
04/19/2014,20:36:47,okeanosexplorer,No, Amanda - it was flipped over and on its side. we could see the holdfast 
04/19/2014,20:36:54,amandademopoulos,ok thanks steph
04/19/2014,20:37:30,okeanosexplorer,no worries
04/19/2014,20:37:59,amandademopoulos,i think those white "tubes" had lots of tentacles on the end-maybe cerianthid anemones
04/19/2014,20:38:06,amandademopoulos,they can withdraw
04/19/2014,20:38:11,amandademopoulos,retract
04/19/2014,20:38:33,okeanosexplorer,oh i missed them
04/19/2014,20:38:53,amandademopoulos,oh- they were focusing on them before we stopped imaging
04/19/2014,20:39:02,amandademopoulos,>FSH
04/19/2014,20:40:25,okeanosexplorer,wow... totally missed it.  I saw a ton of tubes - I thought were bamboo worms and clam siphons but nothing that looked like a cerianthid... ill have to look at the footage that they are clipping next to me.  
04/19/2014,20:41:02,amandademopoulos,some of the cerianthids have really short tentacles- i don't know for sure though, it was hard to get clear focus
04/19/2014,20:41:07,amandademopoulos,on the ends
04/19/2014,20:41:48,okeanosexplorer,>siphonophore
04/19/2014,20:41:59,Fritz,Great day everyone!  Thanks a ton to all, especially the shipboard crew and pilots!  Jamie, we'll see you soon in San Marcos for a dive in the springs.
04/19/2014,20:42:05,okeanosexplorer,ok.  Ill look... thanks.
04/19/2014,20:42:21,kelleyelliott,Hi All - reminder that we'll have a post-dive debriefing at 1600 Central
04/19/2014,20:42:39,kelleyelliott,We'll discuss today's dive, then go over the dive plan for tomorrow
04/19/2014,20:49:02,michaelvecchione,>CTE
04/19/2014,20:49:47,michaelvecchione,very nice zoom on the ctenophore
04/19/2014,20:50:32,michaelvecchione,if you bump it it will reel in the fishing gear
04/19/2014,20:52:27,michaelvecchione,>another CTE swam by
04/19/2014,22:45:51,kelleyelliott,Update from the NOAA Ship Okeanos Explorer. The current time onboard is 1745 Central. The ROV has been recovered and is now secure on deck. We will be conducting overnight mapping operations in the vicinity of Keathley Canyon, and plan to conduct dive 8 tomorrow in deep water in Keathley Canyon at a site where we suspect we'll see seepage. ROV deployment is planned for 0830 (central) and the vehicle should arrive on the seafloor at 1000. We will have our dive briefing at 0930. Join us by dialing into the telecon at 1-866-617-5860, passcode: 1233796 and tuning into the video online at: http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/okeanos/media/exstream/exstream_04.html